Barack Omaba and Partial Birth Abortion (Infanticide)

[barman]

If that's true, why was Scott Peterson convicted of killing two people, Laci Peterson and her unborn child? Wouldn't that make the unborn child a person since he was convicted of killing two people?

Scott Peterson was not convicted for killing "two people", but rather of killing his wife and her unborn child.

While the second conviction is constitutionally dubious, the prevailing reason it is able to stand (for now) is that in the USA, only Mrs Peterson has the legal option to terminate the unborn fetus. If someone else does it against her wishes, then a criminal act has occurred.

 

[steaktartar]

FZ......... question and i am anti abortion in 99% of the cases.......if you had a deranged brother living on the streets and he broke into your home and raped and tortured your 12 year old daughter would expect her to carry the baby to term?......the mental and obvious physical concerns could kill her

i will bump this in the morning...i really do want to here what you guys think..esp FZ and Willie.........goodnight boys happy labor day

 

[texansfan]

Scott Peterson was not convicted for killing "two people", but rather of killing his wife and her unborn child.

While the second conviction is constitutionally dubious, the prevailing reason it is able to stand (for now) is that in the USA, only Mrs Peterson has the legal option to terminate the unborn fetus. If someone else does it against her wishes, then a criminal act has occurred.

He was charged and convicted on two counts of murder. Imo the federal law considers the unborn child as protected. The law protects any unborn child at any age of development in the womb.

You can argue the difference between an unborn child and a person, but imo they are the same.

 

[texansfan]

CALIFORNIA PROSECUTORS ANNOUNCED LAST SPRING that they would seek the death penalty for Scott Peterson, who was charged with killing his wife Laci and their unborn son. The crime was dramatic enough—the young wife had disappeared on Christmas Eve, and her body had washed up in San Francisco Bay not far from where her husband claimed to have gone fishing. But the murder charge for killing a fetus was legally unremarkable. California is one of 28 states with laws that treat fetuses as legal persons at different stages of pregnancy and protect them from harm.

 

[JoeContrarian]

I think we need the death penalty for any doctor who performs an abortion.

Back to the dark alley coat hanger days.

 

[steaktartar]

FZ......... question and i am anti abortion in 99% of the cases.......if you had a deranged brother living on the streets and he broke into your home and raped and tortured your 12 year old daughter would expect her to carry the baby to term?......the mental and obvious physical concerns could kill her

so joe you are ok with this if it was your 12 year old daughter?

 

[JoeContrarian]

so joe you are ok with this if it was your 12 year old daughter?

There are -- what? -- 1.3 million abortions performed every year?

Out of those 1.3 million, how many of those are forced rape and incest?

 

[realestatepro]

A fetus can't even watch the sun, what a waste of life. I try to knock up women just so they can have an abortion. I've been saving them all up, and now I have enough that I've started a fetus baseball league. It is quite boring, but my team the Cleveland Clumps are doing pretty well.

 

[barman]

He was charged and convicted on two counts of murder. Imo the federal law considers the unborn child as protected. The law protects any unborn child at any age of development in the womb.

You can argue the difference between an unborn child and a person, but imo they are the same.

With no disrespect towards your opinion of the laws about abortion, please let us know the moment a woman is prosecuted for terminating her unwanted embryo or fetus.

 

[steaktartar]

There are -- what? -- 1.3 million abortions performed every year?

Out of those 1.3 million, how many of those are forced rape and incest?

answer my question.....i am anti abortion......but in a case like this i cant see it....can you answer?.....pretend you have a 12 year old daughter and a sick brother.......thanx in advance

 

[barman]

STEAK, difficult for MARK to 'pretend he has a 12 year old daughter' because he would first have to pretend there's a woman who is willing to have his baby.

 

[texansfan]

With no disrespect towards your opinion of the laws about abortion, please let us know the moment a woman is prosecuted for terminating her unwanted embryo or fetus.

Actually, the federal-fetal homicide law eplicitly exempts abortion. This law does in fact though make the killing of an unborn child a crime. You need to seperate the two barman.

According to this law, if you kill a woman and her unborn fetus you can be charged with two counts of murder. One would have to assume that in order to get true billed for two counts of murder there would need to be two victims.

This opinion in no way has anything to do with abortion.

 

[steaktartar]

STEAK, difficult for MARK to 'pretend he has a 12 year old daughter' because he would first have to pretend there's a woman who is willing to have his baby.

i know i just want an honest answer(guffaw in poly forum at rx) on this particular case

 

[barman]

Oh, I was not arguing that someone can be prosecuted for killing a fetus. That appears for the moment at least to be real federal law if that person is anyone other than the pregnant female.

But this Thread began with discussion of whether a fetus terminated in the third trimester could result in a charge of "infanticide" against the woman, her doctor and anyone else associated with the procedure.

To date, no such charges have been brought because legally such a procedure is not in fact "infanticide".

 

[texansfan]

Oh, I was not arguing that someone can be prosecuted for killing a fetus. That appears for the moment at least to be real federal law if that person is anyone other than the pregnant female.

But this Thread began with discussion of whether a fetus terminated in the third trimester could result in a charge of "infanticide" against the woman, her doctor and anyone else associated with the procedure.

To date, no such charges have been brought because legally such a procedure is not in fact "infanticide".

 

[barman]

i know i just want an honest answer(guffaw in poly forum at rx) on this particular case

:lol:....You've obviously been drinking (per your Offshore Topic tonight) to think that you're going to score honest answers from our resident bipolar bud Markie.

Late night good times is all we have to offer in the 1am Monday PoliticoPub.

Mark's on about his 25th hour without sleep but he may still have a few cyber jabs left in him. Those meds his doc prescribes are severely high octane.

 

[steaktartar]

:lol:....You've obviously been drinking (per your Offshore Topic tonight) to think that you're going to score honest answers from our resident bipolar bud Markie.

Late night good times is all we have to offer in the 1am Monday PoliticoPub.

Mark's on about his 25th hour without sleep but he may still have a few cyber jabs left in him. Those meds his doc prescribes are severely high octane.

ya i know...i just want any of them to answer my specific(i know a longshot but possible scenario) question......i am basically on there side on this but they dont like this possibility i guess.....because if they say ya well thats ok ..........i've got another 100 possibilities for them...so i dont expect much feedback

 

[JoeContrarian]

answer my question.....i am anti abortion......but in a case like this i cant see it....can you answer?.....pretend you have a 12 year old daughter and a sick brother.......thanx in advance

Steak, answering that question with specificity is above my pay grade. :missingte

I'm advocating a standard -- a standard we can safely, morally apply in 99.9324% of the cases.

I do know the pro-baby killing crowd -- and obviously I don't mean you per say -- use this as a strawman trying to fool themselves into thinking they have the moral high ground when it's clearly the opposite.

So let's start with a basic moral truth: abortion is abhorrent.

Now, assuming abortion were outlawed and assuming rape and incest were made the exceptions, logic tells me more and more women who've had irresponsible sex and got pregnant would claim they were raped. Am I right? So then we're back to square one.

I can't give you a definitive answer, Steak, unless you or someone else can provide a logical workable solution.

Right now, I focus on reducing the number of abortions and that means nominating judges who will chip away at law as unconstitutional as Roe v. Wade.

 

[steaktartar]

Steak, answering that question with specificity is above my pay grade. :missingte

I'm advocating a standard -- a standard which applies in 99.9324% of the cases.

I do know the pro-baby killing crowd -- and obviously I don't mean you, per say -- use this as a strawman trying to fool themselves into thinking they have the moral high ground when it's clearly the opposite.

Let's start with a basic moral truth: abortion is abhorrent.

So assuming abortion was outlawed and assuming rape and incest were exemptions, logic tells me more and more women who've had irresponsible sex would claim they were raped. So then we're back to square one.

I can't give you a definitive answer, Steak, unless you or someone else can provide a logical workable solution.

Right now, I focus on reducing abortions and that means nominating judges who will chip away at law as unconstitutional as Roe.

this is a good answer i agree with....but what if that one longshot happened to your daughter what would you do(or her)........i know id have the termination and be sick about it but i would for her life

 

[GoForBroke]

Joe C, please respond to the proposal I offered you.