B.J. Penn (-195) vs. Kenny Florian (+155) preview

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PS, I personally think Florian should be a tiny favorite. Not guaranteeing he'll win by any stretch. 7/1 on Florian by decision has great value since I don't think he finishes Penn.
 

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Stevenson's striking skills don't even begin to compare to Florian's wide range of attacks. That's a silly comparison. Stevenson is short and squat and tried to outbox a better boxer. Florian is longer and better at avoiding punishment with better kickboxing skills. I don't see how those fighters' comparisons are relevant here.

It wasn't a comparison Jake. I was saying the end result will be Florian in a pool of blood tapping out while BJ has barely broken a sweat.
 

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Florian's only career UFC losses were to excellent wrestlers in Sean Sherk and Diego Sanchez. The only guy he's fought that has a similar style to BJ is Joe Lauzon and Kenny finished it early. It also took him less time to take out Joe Stevenson than it took for BJ.

Are you really going to compare BJ to Joe Lauzon? Come on dude. Wake up.
 

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You think Florian should be a small fav? Come on. A comment like that just ruined your opinion of MMA with me for a very long time.
 

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You think Florian should be a small fav? Come on. A comment like that just ruined your opinion of MMA with me for a very long time.

Florian matches up perfect against BJ. If you watch the Huerta fight, his footwork and step-ins/pushes make it extremely hard to execute a takedown unless you are a huge wrestler like Sherk or Diego.

So that likely leaves this one a mostly standing fight where I think Florian has an edge thanks to his kicks and movement over Penn's jab. Just because BJ beat up on Sean Sherk and his tiny arms and iffy boxing doesn't mean he's an elite striker. The fact of the matter is that BJ really only knocks people out with knees when they are going for a takedown and I find it unlikely Florian will try to take this one to the ground often. If he does, it's likely in the later rounds when Penn is gassing and Florian wants to steal a round.

Putting Florian as a slight favorite isn't crazy at all when you figure out the strengths/weaknesses of each fighter and look past who has the big name recognition. Penn is like 13-5 in his MMA career and is far from unbeatable.
 

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Florian matches up perfect against BJ. If you watch the Huerta fight, his footwork and step-ins/pushes make it extremely hard to execute a takedown unless you are a huge wrestler like Sherk or Diego.

So that likely leaves this one a mostly standing fight where I think Florian has an edge thanks to his kicks and movement over Penn's jab. Just because BJ beat up on Sean Sherk and his tiny arms and iffy boxing doesn't mean he's an elite striker. The fact of the matter is that BJ really only knocks people out with knees when they are going for a takedown and I find it unlikely Florian will try to take this one to the ground often. If he does, it's likely in the later rounds when Penn is gassing and Florian wants to steal a round.

Putting Florian as a slight favorite isn't crazy at all when you figure out the strengths/weaknesses of each fighter and look past who has the big name recognition. Penn is like 13-5 in his MMA career and is far from unbeatable.

Penn's five losses were to the top lightweight in the world at the time (Pulver), GSP (lbs. 4 lbs.) the best fighter alive today, Machida a guy who has gone many fights without being hit, and Matt Hughes who he thoroughly dominated until he broke his rib. Kenny Florian has not beaten a fighter yet who is half way comparable to any of them.
 

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Jake-

Since this number is more than a dollar off I assume you are going to unload on it for your biggest play of the year. I mean thats what I would do if I was so certain one guy was going to win and I was getting +195 on a guy who I thought should be -125'ish.
 

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Since this number is more than a dollar off I assume you are going to unload on it for your biggest play of the year. I mean thats what I would do if I was so certain one guy was going to win and I was getting +195 on a guy who I thought should be -125'ish.

I'll make a larger than normal play for sure but I still stick with pretty strict money management regardless.
 

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Florian matches up perfect against BJ. If you watch the Huerta fight, his footwork and step-ins/pushes make it extremely hard to execute a takedown unless you are a huge wrestler like Sherk or Diego.

So that likely leaves this one a mostly standing fight where I think Florian has an edge thanks to his kicks and movement over Penn's jab. Just because BJ beat up on Sean Sherk and his tiny arms and iffy boxing doesn't mean he's an elite striker. The fact of the matter is that BJ really only knocks people out with knees when they are going for a takedown and I find it unlikely Florian will try to take this one to the ground often. If he does, it's likely in the later rounds when Penn is gassing and Florian wants to steal a round.

I would not draw to much from what can or can not be done against Huerta. He is a glorified brawler who made his UFC record against a lot of tomato cans.

BJ has heavy hands for LW division, very good footwork and boxing, excellent takedown defese, good defense of kicks, and an iron chin. Add this up and the recipe becomes BJ stalking Kenny around the ring. Kenny will find out that he can't hurt BJ as much as he gets hurt in the close in exchanges......and either makes a Bisping like mistake for the "posterized" KO or he gets softened up to the point where he tries to go to the ground or ends up there to be finished.

Sorry, this just smells like another fight where a guy is being built up as a real contender only for everyone to realize in hindsight that he was not on the level of the chanp.
 

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I would not draw to much from what can or can not be done against Huerta. He is a glorified brawler who made his UFC record against a lot of tomato cans.

BJ has heavy hands for LW division, very good footwork and boxing, excellent takedown defese, good defense of kicks, and an iron chin. Add this up and the recipe becomes BJ stalking Kenny around the ring. Kenny will find out that he can't hurt BJ as much as he gets hurt in the close in exchanges......and either makes a Bisping like mistake for the "posterized" KO or he gets softened up to the point where he tries to go to the ground or ends up there to be finished.

Sorry, this just smells like another fight where a guy is being built up as a real contender only for everyone to realize in hindsight that he was not on the level of the chanp.

Sharp post...

Rich Franklin vs. Nate Quarry #2
 

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I would not draw to much from what can or can not be done against Huerta. He is a glorified brawler who made his UFC record against a lot of tomato cans.

BJ has heavy hands for LW division, very good footwork and boxing, excellent takedown defese, good defense of kicks, and an iron chin. Add this up and the recipe becomes BJ stalking Kenny around the ring. Kenny will find out that he can't hurt BJ as much as he gets hurt in the close in exchanges......and either makes a Bisping like mistake for the "posterized" KO or he gets softened up to the point where he tries to go to the ground or ends up there to be finished.

Sorry, this just smells like another fight where a guy is being built up as a real contender only for everyone to realize in hindsight that he was not on the level of the chanp.

Personally I think an aggressive BJ plays right into Kenny's hands. He has been showing a lot of Machida in his striking lately. Lots of step ins, great movement, hard as hell to hit, etc etc.
 

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You talking about Florian/Huerta or Penn/Florian with that reference?

Penn/Florian

Huerta sucks. Should have lost to that shit can Guida but was bailed out. Lots of trouble for you when Huerta and Stevenson are the two biggest wins of your career.
 

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Penn/Florian

Huerta sucks. Should have lost to that shit can Guida but was bailed out. Lots of trouble for you when Huerta and Stevenson are the two biggest wins of your career.

I don't think Franklin/Quarry is a good comparison at all. Franklin has knockout power in his hands and BJ doesn't. Quarry is a brawler with knockout power while Florian is a technician that uses a large amount of kicks. I don't think that's a good fight to reference to prove a point.

We'll just have to wait til fight time brother. :toast:
 

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I don't think Franklin/Quarry is a good comparison at all. Franklin has knockout power in his hands and BJ doesn't. Quarry is a brawler with knockout power while Florian is a technician that uses a large amount of kicks. I don't think that's a good fight to reference to prove a point.

We'll just have to wait til fight time brother. :toast:
Florian will be stalked and pummeled in this fight. Guess we will just have to wait and see.
 

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PS, I like this parlay a lot.

Florian by decision +630
Forrest by decision +715
Leites -340

Every 1 you risk pays back 76 or so.
 

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PS, I like this parlay a lot.

Florian by decision +630
Forrest by decision +715
Leites -340

Every 1 you risk pays back 76 or so.

What sportsbook allows to bet on the decision? I haven't seen anything on sportsbook. If it is on sportsbook let me know how to get to it, PLEASE!
 

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What sportsbook allows to bet on the decision? I haven't seen anything on sportsbook. If it is on sportsbook let me know how to get to it, PLEASE!

5Dimes for sure. There might be some euro books that offer this but they may be non-US. Good luck.
 

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