<TABLE class=tborder style="BORDER-TOP-WIDTH: 0px" cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR title="Post 6318090" vAlign=top><TD class=alt2 align=middle width=125>Loren78</TD><TD class=alt1>Quote:
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<TABLE class=tborder style="BORDER-TOP-WIDTH: 0px" cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR title="Post 6317948" vAlign=top><TD class=alt2 align=middle width=125>Loren78</TD><TD class=alt1>Quote:
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Kookland Security News----
A flock of allegedly Al Quaeda trained Canadian terrorist geese who had illegally crossed the border delibrately martyred themselves today by suiciding themselves into both of the engines of a U.S. Airways 320 Airbus with 140 passengers taking off from NY's Laquardia Airport. The flight was diverted and managed to make a safe landing on the Hudson River after a flight of only 6 minutes.
Activity Log
USA1549 .
Date Type Origin Destination Departure Arrival Duration
16-Jan-2009 A320/Q La Guardia (KLGA) Charlotte/Douglas Intl (KCLT) 03:04PM EST 04:43PM EST Scheduled
15-Jan-2009 A320/Q Charlotte/Douglas Intl (KCLT) Seattle-Tacoma Intl (KSEA) 06:35PM EST 09:08PM PST Scheduled
15-Jan-2009 A320/Q La Guardia (KLGA) La Guardia (KLGA) 03:26PM EST 03:32PM EST 0:06
15-Jan-2009 A320/Q La Guardia (KLGA) Charlotte/Douglas Intl (KCLT) 03:26PM EST Diverted
Sources said as many as 20 Bank of America employees were on the plane.
Jet engines had supposedly been redesigned to withstand the effect of bird strikes in the engines but that appears to not have happened during this latest encounter.
Meanwhile in the news today the rest of the $350 billion bailout money was turned over to the Fed Reserve to do with as they wished. They will milk this incident for all its worth as it serves as a perfect distraction. How convienient.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multime...3__466782a.jpg
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Total you serious?
ABOUT WHAT- BROTHER LOREN?
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I thought you might have been joking with Fletch...I was wondering whether or not that was actually true...about the Bank of America Employees...being on the plane..but I been noticing across the web that apparently there were BOA workers on board....
Very interesting... </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Yeah- its true. I am serious about that. They were going to Myrtle Beach to celebrate- to play golf with our tax dollars. I dont know if you know this but Myrtle Beach has more expensive golf courses than anywhere on the planet. Some costing thousands for full accomadations. These billionare boys club flunkies from Wall Street were known to make their biggest deals with liquored up suckered investors while playing golf down there. Obviouly a weekend gig they were planning with our money after just getting the OK on the $350 billion they got for bitching that their merger with ???? was costing them money- and they needed a bailout - which they got- you can be sure of that.
Watch my Vid. See what just one bird can do to make a jet engine seize up and flame out. Geese flying in formation like they do would mean multiple hits - thats why both engines were affected.
"Sully" the old 60 something pilot had "the right stuff". Did a fantastic job bringing her in like that.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">Originally Posted by Total Recall
<TABLE class=tborder style="BORDER-TOP-WIDTH: 0px" cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR title="Post 6317948" vAlign=top><TD class=alt2 align=middle width=125>Loren78</TD><TD class=alt1>Quote:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">Originally Posted by Total Recall
Kookland Security News----
A flock of allegedly Al Quaeda trained Canadian terrorist geese who had illegally crossed the border delibrately martyred themselves today by suiciding themselves into both of the engines of a U.S. Airways 320 Airbus with 140 passengers taking off from NY's Laquardia Airport. The flight was diverted and managed to make a safe landing on the Hudson River after a flight of only 6 minutes.
Activity Log
USA1549 .
Date Type Origin Destination Departure Arrival Duration
16-Jan-2009 A320/Q La Guardia (KLGA) Charlotte/Douglas Intl (KCLT) 03:04PM EST 04:43PM EST Scheduled
15-Jan-2009 A320/Q Charlotte/Douglas Intl (KCLT) Seattle-Tacoma Intl (KSEA) 06:35PM EST 09:08PM PST Scheduled
15-Jan-2009 A320/Q La Guardia (KLGA) La Guardia (KLGA) 03:26PM EST 03:32PM EST 0:06
15-Jan-2009 A320/Q La Guardia (KLGA) Charlotte/Douglas Intl (KCLT) 03:26PM EST Diverted
Sources said as many as 20 Bank of America employees were on the plane.
Jet engines had supposedly been redesigned to withstand the effect of bird strikes in the engines but that appears to not have happened during this latest encounter.
Meanwhile in the news today the rest of the $350 billion bailout money was turned over to the Fed Reserve to do with as they wished. They will milk this incident for all its worth as it serves as a perfect distraction. How convienient.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multime...3__466782a.jpg
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Total you serious?
ABOUT WHAT- BROTHER LOREN?
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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I thought you might have been joking with Fletch...I was wondering whether or not that was actually true...about the Bank of America Employees...being on the plane..but I been noticing across the web that apparently there were BOA workers on board....
Very interesting... </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Yeah- its true. I am serious about that. They were going to Myrtle Beach to celebrate- to play golf with our tax dollars. I dont know if you know this but Myrtle Beach has more expensive golf courses than anywhere on the planet. Some costing thousands for full accomadations. These billionare boys club flunkies from Wall Street were known to make their biggest deals with liquored up suckered investors while playing golf down there. Obviouly a weekend gig they were planning with our money after just getting the OK on the $350 billion they got for bitching that their merger with ???? was costing them money- and they needed a bailout - which they got- you can be sure of that.
Watch my Vid. See what just one bird can do to make a jet engine seize up and flame out. Geese flying in formation like they do would mean multiple hits - thats why both engines were affected.
"Sully" the old 60 something pilot had "the right stuff". Did a fantastic job bringing her in like that.
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;">Originally Posted by Total Recall
Kookland Security News----
A flock of allegedly Al Quaeda trained Canadian terrorist geese who had illegally crossed the border delibrately martyred themselves today by suiciding themselves into both of the engines of a U.S. Airways 320 Airbus with 140 passengers taking off from NY's Laquardia Airport. The flight was diverted and managed to make a safe landing on the Hudson River after a flight of only 6 minutes.
Activity Log
USA1549 .
Date Type Origin Destination Departure Arrival Duration
16-Jan-2009 A320/Q La Guardia (KLGA) Charlotte/Douglas Intl (KCLT) 03:04PM EST 04:43PM EST Scheduled
15-Jan-2009 A320/Q Charlotte/Douglas Intl (KCLT) Seattle-Tacoma Intl (KSEA) 06:35PM EST 09:08PM PST Scheduled
15-Jan-2009 A320/Q La Guardia (KLGA) La Guardia (KLGA) 03:26PM EST 03:32PM EST 0:06
15-Jan-2009 A320/Q La Guardia (KLGA) Charlotte/Douglas Intl (KCLT) 03:26PM EST Diverted
Sources said as many as 20 Bank of America employees were on the plane.
Jet engines had supposedly been redesigned to withstand the effect of bird strikes in the engines but that appears to not have happened during this latest encounter.
Meanwhile in the news today the rest of the $350 billion bailout money was turned over to the Fed Reserve to do with as they wished. They will milk this incident for all its worth as it serves as a perfect distraction. How convienient.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multime...3__466782a.jpg
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Total you serious?
ABOUT WHAT- BROTHER LOREN?
</td></tr></tbody></table>
</td></tr></tbody></table>
I thought you might have been joking with Fletch...I was wondering whether or not that was actually true...about the Bank of America Employees...being on the plane..but I been noticing across the web that apparently there were BOA workers on board....
Very interesting... </td></tr></tbody></table>
Yeah- its true. I am serious about that. They were going to Myrtle Beach to celebrate- to play golf with our tax dollars. I dont know if you know this but Myrtle Beach has more expensive golf courses than anywhere on the planet. Some costing thousands for full accomadations. These billionare boys club flunkies from Wall Street were known to make their biggest deals with liquored up suckered investors while playing golf down there. Obviouly a weekend gig they were planning with our money after just getting the OK on the $350 billion they got for bitching that their merger with ???? was costing them money- and they needed a bailout - which they got- you can be sure of that.
Watch my Vid. See what just one bird can do to make a jet engine seize up and flame out. Geese flying in formation like they do would mean multiple hits - thats why both engines were affected.
"Sully" the old 60 something pilot had "the right stuff". Did a fantastic job bringing her in like that.
Yeah I checked the video out...It would appear my skepticism about the initial story is unwarranted.....See anytime they go out of their way to tell you how something happened, it usually means there is another reason. The numbers are all there as well....you know what I mean when I say "numbers".......
How Birds Can Down a Jet Airplane
Robin Lloyd
LiveScience Senior Editor
livescience.com – Thu Jan 15, 5:32 pm ET
Early reports suggest that a bird strike caused a jet plane to crash in the Hudson River near Manhattan today, leaving questions about how a little flying animal could down a big airliner.
More than 200 people have been killed worldwide as a result of wildlife strikes with aircraft since 1988, according to Bird Strike Committee USA, and more than 5,000 bird strikes were reported by the U.S. Air Force in 2007. Bird strikes, or the collision of an aircraft with an airborne bird, tend to happen when aircraft are close to the ground, which means just before landing or after take-off, when jet engines are turning at top speeds.
The incidents are serious particularly when the birds, usually gulls, raptors and geese, are sucked into a jet engine and strike an engine fan blade. That impact displaces the blade such that it strikes another blade and a cascade can occur, resulting in engine failure.
A 12-pound Canada goose striking an aircraft going 150 mph at lift-off generates the force of a 1,000-pound weight dropped from a height of 10 feet, according to Bird Strike Committee USA.
Today's incident, which occurred just after US Airways flight 1549 (an Airbus 320) had taken off with more than 150 passengers and crew members from LaGuardia Airport in New York, en route to Charlotte, N.C., involved a flock of geese, according to CBS News. Reports indicate no deaths or serious injuries as of this writing.
Large aircraft are certified to be able to keep flying after impacting a 4-pound bird, however 36 species of birds in North America weigh more than this, according to the committee. Even smaller birds, such as starlings, can cause engine failure.
The greater the difference in the speed of the plane and the bird, the greater the force of the impact on the aircraft. The weight of the bird is also a factor, but the speed difference is a much bigger factor.
Flocks of birds are even more dangerous as they can result in multiple strikes.
Delicate birds, delicate aircraft
Dale Oderman, associate professor of aviation technology at Purdue University in Indiana says birds can be very dangerous to aircraft, particularly in the first several thousand feet after take-off, where the birds are flying.
"Obviously, geese or another large bird would be much more hazardous than a little black bird," Oderman said. "The speed at which the two are moving causes the bird to get ingested into the engine. And the engine is very delicate to withstanding a major impact."
He added: "It just shuts the engine down."
Basically, if the birds get too close to the engine's intake, it's like a vacuum - the birds just get sucked in.
"The initial stages of a jet engine are made up of a lot of compressor blades. Those aren't very big and they can be very easily damaged," Oderman told LiveScience. "Even if one of those things breaks off, then the one blade will go through the rest of the engine and it's like shrapnel to the engine."
And in the case of the Hudson River crash, the birds apparently took out both engines.
"Apparently in this particular case it seems both engines were hit. If it was a flock of birds they flew thought it wouldn't be a surprise to me," Oderman said.
Airports, Oderman said, take several precautions to keep planes safe from birds. For instance, they often don't plant many trees nearby, as these are nesting areas for birds. Since La Guardia is right on the water, he noted, there are a lot of water birds around.
Bird strike remains
Bird strikes are on the rise, according to the committee. After a bird strike in the United States, the remains, called snarge, are sent to the Smithsonian Institution's Feather Identification Laboratory to identify the species, according to WikiPedia.
Bird and other wildlife strikes to aircraft result in more than $600 million in damage a year, according to Bird Strike Committee USA. Five jet airliners have had major accidents involving bird strikes since 1975, the committee says. In one case, about three dozen people died.
NASA worries about bird strikes, too.
During the July 2005 launch of Discovery on mission STS-114, a vulture soaring around the launch pad impacted the shuttle's external tank just after liftoff. With a vulture's average weight ranging from 3 to 5 pounds, a strike at a critical point on the shuttle - like the nose or wing leading thermal protection panels - could cause catastrophic damage to the vehicle.
NASA put safety measures into place in 2005 to reduce the odds of bird strikes with the shuttle. The agency particularly wants to avoid bird strikes to the shuttle's fuel tank that could damage the heat shield during launch and landing.
For instance, NASA has a special during launch countdown where they can stop to wait for birds to pass. And during landing, NASA has a sound cannon that they fire to make sure the runway is clear from birds to make sure shuttle isn't damaged during landing.
Senior Writer Jeanna Bryner contributed to this story.
Robin Lloyd
LiveScience Senior Editor
livescience.com – Thu Jan 15, 5:32 pm ET
Early reports suggest that a bird strike caused a jet plane to crash in the Hudson River near Manhattan today, leaving questions about how a little flying animal could down a big airliner.
More than 200 people have been killed worldwide as a result of wildlife strikes with aircraft since 1988, according to Bird Strike Committee USA, and more than 5,000 bird strikes were reported by the U.S. Air Force in 2007. Bird strikes, or the collision of an aircraft with an airborne bird, tend to happen when aircraft are close to the ground, which means just before landing or after take-off, when jet engines are turning at top speeds.
The incidents are serious particularly when the birds, usually gulls, raptors and geese, are sucked into a jet engine and strike an engine fan blade. That impact displaces the blade such that it strikes another blade and a cascade can occur, resulting in engine failure.
A 12-pound Canada goose striking an aircraft going 150 mph at lift-off generates the force of a 1,000-pound weight dropped from a height of 10 feet, according to Bird Strike Committee USA.
Today's incident, which occurred just after US Airways flight 1549 (an Airbus 320) had taken off with more than 150 passengers and crew members from LaGuardia Airport in New York, en route to Charlotte, N.C., involved a flock of geese, according to CBS News. Reports indicate no deaths or serious injuries as of this writing.
Large aircraft are certified to be able to keep flying after impacting a 4-pound bird, however 36 species of birds in North America weigh more than this, according to the committee. Even smaller birds, such as starlings, can cause engine failure.
The greater the difference in the speed of the plane and the bird, the greater the force of the impact on the aircraft. The weight of the bird is also a factor, but the speed difference is a much bigger factor.
Flocks of birds are even more dangerous as they can result in multiple strikes.
Delicate birds, delicate aircraft
Dale Oderman, associate professor of aviation technology at Purdue University in Indiana says birds can be very dangerous to aircraft, particularly in the first several thousand feet after take-off, where the birds are flying.
"Obviously, geese or another large bird would be much more hazardous than a little black bird," Oderman said. "The speed at which the two are moving causes the bird to get ingested into the engine. And the engine is very delicate to withstanding a major impact."
He added: "It just shuts the engine down."
Basically, if the birds get too close to the engine's intake, it's like a vacuum - the birds just get sucked in.
"The initial stages of a jet engine are made up of a lot of compressor blades. Those aren't very big and they can be very easily damaged," Oderman told LiveScience. "Even if one of those things breaks off, then the one blade will go through the rest of the engine and it's like shrapnel to the engine."
And in the case of the Hudson River crash, the birds apparently took out both engines.
"Apparently in this particular case it seems both engines were hit. If it was a flock of birds they flew thought it wouldn't be a surprise to me," Oderman said.
Airports, Oderman said, take several precautions to keep planes safe from birds. For instance, they often don't plant many trees nearby, as these are nesting areas for birds. Since La Guardia is right on the water, he noted, there are a lot of water birds around.
Bird strike remains
Bird strikes are on the rise, according to the committee. After a bird strike in the United States, the remains, called snarge, are sent to the Smithsonian Institution's Feather Identification Laboratory to identify the species, according to WikiPedia.
Bird and other wildlife strikes to aircraft result in more than $600 million in damage a year, according to Bird Strike Committee USA. Five jet airliners have had major accidents involving bird strikes since 1975, the committee says. In one case, about three dozen people died.
NASA worries about bird strikes, too.
During the July 2005 launch of Discovery on mission STS-114, a vulture soaring around the launch pad impacted the shuttle's external tank just after liftoff. With a vulture's average weight ranging from 3 to 5 pounds, a strike at a critical point on the shuttle - like the nose or wing leading thermal protection panels - could cause catastrophic damage to the vehicle.
NASA put safety measures into place in 2005 to reduce the odds of bird strikes with the shuttle. The agency particularly wants to avoid bird strikes to the shuttle's fuel tank that could damage the heat shield during launch and landing.
For instance, NASA has a special during launch countdown where they can stop to wait for birds to pass. And during landing, NASA has a sound cannon that they fire to make sure the runway is clear from birds to make sure shuttle isn't damaged during landing.
Senior Writer Jeanna Bryner contributed to this story.
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