Are you ok with illegal immigrants receiving in-state tuition and scholarships?

[Enfuego]

Thats simple, let's look at those cities you are citing. Mostly liberal cities. I honestly believe a liberal would prefer open boarders.

Can we answer the question why sanctuary cities get any federal monies when they are ignoring a federal law

Not cities, states. I don't know why they get federal money. Makes no sense to me.

 

[RenoChazz]

HaHa again...I actually thought I was done here,but evidently not...This fucking stupid 40 year old illegal supporting fuck actually typed this below on top of the fact he typed that illegals makes it easier for him to benefit all of us here to be more productive...So most here like to brag about what they have and here you are saying the same thing...You are pathetic...

Calling someone stupid, yet doesn't have a full grasp on the English language is what's pathetic. I'm going to guess you're not done yet, and come back at me with some more insults in third grade grammar. I'm not rich, I live off 40k a year. I live a very modest life within my means. My house is small but it's mine, the car I drive is very average, but it get's me to where I need to go. I don't go on extravagant vacations, or buy stupid shit I don't need.

 

[TomGshotput]

So if someone moves here with a 1 year old, and the 1 year old goes to school and lives in the US his whole life, and gets good grades, and earns a scholarship, he shouldn't get it because his parents brought him here when he was 1 yrs old?

Yes. The rest of us did it legally, he should have too. Because he didn't, he can go back to Mexico.

 

[Buster]

Agreed with some sort of path to citizenship, but we need to fix the current system first. We do not want other illegals to have the mind set that once they make it over here (illegally) they can stay and if they have a baby on our soil they get to to stay too.

Why aren't we talking about what happens to wages if we let all those people into the workforce?

Because it benefits all of us when it frees up some punkass moderator on a sports messaging board to be a more productive member of society...Get with the plan man...He does not or will not take their job because he retired at 40 and there are many members here that "brag" about their accomplishments.but he does not...

 

[TomGshotput]

Why should an illegal even be attending a state funded college to begin with?

When I was going to state school, a lot of people were doing illegal things regularly. If they weren't allowed to attend, the school would have had to shut down.

 

[RenoChazz]

But my main issue is we actually pass state laws that allow the illegals here now to receive state benefits like in state tuition despite their immigration status and it baffles me as to why we do that.

I'm baffled about 90% of the stuff we spend money on. I try not to think about it because it would drive me crazy. But that's the system we live in. I vote Libertarian, so it's obviously not the system I want.

 

[Enfuego]

When I was going to state school, a lot of people were doing illegal things regularly. If they weren't allowed to attend, the school would have had to shut down.

What you've said here has nothing at all to do with what we're talking about.

 

[IAM4UK]

I'm baffled about 90% of the stuff we spend money on. I try not to think about it because it would drive me crazy. But that's the system we live in. I vote Libertarian, so it's obviously not the system I want.

So what's the libertarian view or stance on borders and immigration? Honest question, I really don't know.

 

[RenoChazz]

I'm fine with pathway to citizenship. Not blanket amnesty but something where it is like a 3-5 year process.

Just saying merit based is the way forward. For most of US history you really didn't need merit based because most of the good jobs just took manual labor and sweat from the brow or whatever you call it. Everyone was basically on equal footing and we were building a country.

Now that we have an economy that is more knowledge/skill based it makes a lot less sense to just flood the country with people that have no skills. Maybe Americans wouldn't pick crops in 109 degree weather but they would work in hospitality and food service if wages weren't being undercut by people coming from real poverty, abject poverty. The free market works but there are inefficiencies and the US having Mexico on its border is 1 of them.

I don't think you're giving them enough credit as far as skills go. Yeah they aren't doctors or writing code, but they are mechanics, construction, plumbing, concrete, electrical ect.

 

[festeringZit]

When half the country votes for what should be a convicted felon who should be in jail (Hillary) , it's not surprise that people don't
care about ILLEGAL aliens. "What difference does it make."

Who cares about the law?

 

[PatsFan1283]

I don't think you're giving them enough credit as far as skills go. Yeah they aren't doctors or writing code, but they are mechanics, construction, plumbing, concrete, electrical ect.

There are 15 million illegals here? Obviously many of them are major assets to this country. Don't think anyone is arguing otherwise. No one sane atleast.

But we can pick and choose who comes, that is much better than a free for all.

 

[RenoChazz]

So what's the libertarian view or stance on borders and immigration? Honest question, I really don't know.

The libertarian stance is no freebees, welfare, or handouts. Pass a back ground check get a number (not citizenship) work pay taxes get insurance. We agree with Patsfan that citizenship should be a more strenuous gradual process.

 

[Mr_Mark]

I don't think you're giving them enough credit as far as skills go. Yeah they aren't doctors or writing code, but they are mechanics, construction, plumbing, concrete, electrical ect.

majority of them yes, but Hospitals around LA to SD are full of Dr & Nurses who are not white. Many of them have heavy accents, and are Asian, Indian, African and Hispanic.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Most Indian, Asian and African doctors that come to this country aren't illegal. That is an entirely different group of immigrants.

 

[RenoChazz]

Most Indian, Asian and African doctors that come to this country aren't illegal. That is an entirely different group of immigrants.

That's your merit based immigration, which I'm okay with. The relationship I have with my next door neighbor verses the guy down the street is different though.

 

[KingEleven]

So if someone moves here with a 1 year old, and the 1 year old goes to school and lives in the US his whole life, and gets good grades, and earns a scholarship, he shouldn't get it because his parents brought him here when he was 1 yrs old? Doesn't make sense to me to punish the kid.

The argument (not sure if you said it or someone else, just in general) that you are taking this away from other kids is a bit out there. There are tons of scholarship opportunities out there and most kids who really want to go to school and work hard can find plenty of scholarships.

If that one year old's parents robbed a bank, saved the money for the child, should that child be able to keep that money since "they did nothing wrong"?

 

[KingEleven]

My Wife was NOT born in this country. My In LAWS were NOT born in this country. My Kids were.
Times have changed! It is actually time, in my opinion, to STOP immigration. Country is full, we cannot let more and more people in. Maybe down the line we can look at it again, but we need to close. What's wrong with that?

 

[halekulani]

You think it's silly to give a scholarship to someone that is not a natural citizen of our country over someone that was born in the US? That is the epitome of silly.

if they have applied and proven themselves, why not? importing talent from other countries is what the US is known for.

i have no remorse for people who feel 'entitled' to things. at the end of the day, the world will go on without you. shut up, put down your head, and get your fucking shit done.

 

[Jstack34]

If that one year old's parents robbed a bank, saved the money for the child, should that child be able to keep that money since "they did nothing wrong"?

I don't think those are similar comparisons, but your view point obviously isn't changing so not worth discussing

 

[Enfuego]

if they have applied and proven themselves, why not? importing talent from other countries is what the US is known for.

i have no remorse for people who feel 'entitled' to things. at the end of the day, the world will go on without you. shut up, put down your head, and get your fucking shit done.

Why not? Because they aren't citizens of our country and should not be entitled to benefits members born here are entitled to receive. For example:

Student A is an illegal immigrant and goes to the University of California and receives in state tuition at 25K a year.

Student B is a legal resident of the US and is from Phoenix, Arizona but wants to go to Cal as they have the program he wants but out of state tuition for him is 40K a year.

Why should an illegal immigrant receive the benefit of paying a lower tuition rate than a naturalized US citizen?