Anyone else ever work a job that tipping is a huge part of your income? AreAfrican-American people the worst tippers for you as well?

[CHOPTALK]

I am smart but I'm not trying to flaunt it. This thread is basically the same as folks who swear that "Asian people are bad drivers". It's a stereotype that people will defend rabidly because they have seen an old Asian lady struggling to make a turn. But anyone with more rational thought knows it is not rooted in truth. Asia has a really large population and it just so happens that a ton of Asians immigrate to the United States having never grown up around cars and never driven before. So yes, inexperienced Asian immigrants and the children they need to teach to drive have a steeper learning curve. But that has nothing to do with race. Just like black people and tipping.

It's like no one here knows what confirmation bias is. It's why you recall the things that reinforce your own stereotypes and worldview.

Bro I know way too many people who own restaurants and other service business. The evidence is not isolated like you say.
Its all over the place.

Do some black people tip well? Yes
Do some white people not tip well? Yes


But overall there is no comparison between the black person and the white person when it comes to tipping.


Black people do not tip as well as white people.


Has nothing to do with income or social status.

Most rich black people don't tip either.

Tipping rarely has much to do with income level at least percentage wise.

Some poor people are some of the most giving people you will ever meet.

Some rich people will steal ketchup packets at McDonald's so they won't have to buy it at the store.

As a matter of fact my belief is rich people are more stingy then poor people.

Because a lot of rich people became rich by being ultra careful with their money.

Rich people understand the value of money better then poor people.
Poor people don't know how to treat money.

This is why poor people spend a much greater percentage of their money on things like lottery tickets then rich people do .

 

[HarryCaray]

Cmon, Asian people are bad drivers

Literally LOL'ed at this one.

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

I want her.

 

[CHOPTALK]

I will say I think expected tips are getting out of hand. For instance, tipping the pizza guy. They build the tip into the price. But yet, guilt you into paying for it. I don't want to screw over the guy so I do pick up if I can. If delivery I try to get the cost $17 so I can give the guy a 20 and we both feel OK about the transaction.

I will say this trend is pissing me off.
Its causing double tipping .

WTF is a delivery charge?

Is that the tip or do you tip more ?

Of course yiy have to tip more if you don't want your next delivery to be compromised.


And there are tip jars literally everywhere you go now.
I saw one at the grocery store the other day.

 

[gremlin]

The real problem is why we continue to have a tipping culture that puts the onus on the customer to pay the service industry workers. If they actually got a decent salary and didn't need to rely on tips none of this would be an issue. The winners are the big corporations, transport companies and restauranteurs etc. who don't incur the cost of paying their workers a living wage or giving them good benefits.. End rant.

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

I will say this trend is pissing me off.
Its causing double tipping .

WTF is a delivery charge?

Is that the tip or do you tip more ?

Of course yiy have to tip more if you don't want your next delivery to be compromised.


And there are tip jars literally everywhere you go now.
I saw one at the grocery store the other day.

It's out of control. I agree.

 

[PatsFan1283]

The real problem is why we continue to have a tipping culture that puts the onus on the customer to pay the service industry workers. If they actually got a decent salary and didn't need to rely on tips none of this would be an issue. The winners are the big corporations, transport companies and restauranteurs etc. who don't incur the cost of paying their workers a living wage or giving them good benefits.. End rant.

If we ended tipping and just went to a fixed wage model then it would just reflect itself in prices of goods/services anyway.

Better off with a tipping model so the person providing the service atleast is under the impression they are working for your money.

 

[CHOPTALK]

If we ended tipping and just went to a fixed wage model then it would just reflect itself in prices of goods/services anyway.

Better off with a tipping model so the person providing the service atleast is under the impression they are working for your money.

I agree but the tipping model is starting to creep it's way to fully compensated employees from all sectors of the service industry .

It is really getting out of hand.

Now you have tip jars at the oil changing place, the grocery store. It's getting rampant .

If things keep going this direction I'm going to have to give the pharmist a tip for filling a prescription.


The tip jar is taking over the world and not just for employees who make $2 an hour

 

[CHOPTALK]

I am capable of being a great tipper . I have tipped as much as 200% before.

But am I a bad guy for not tipping the oil change guy?
When does it end?

 

[he_dblhockeystx]

i always tip the oil change guy

 

[CHOPTALK]

i always tip the oil change guy

And that's the problem.

Why?

The oil change guy gets a full wage.

Why don't you tip the doctor then?
Why not tip the lady at the DMV when she gives you your drivers license?

What makes the oil change guy special?

Who woke up one day and decided it's the norm to tip the oil change guy but not the guy at the jewelry store or the lady at the cell phone store?

 

[HarryCaray]

Times I tip:
Restaurants
Food delivery
Cabs
Valet guy
Car wash kid
Haircut

Unless I'm forgetting something, that's it.

And you're right Chop, it's completely out of control. When you use a credit card at Jersey Mike's there is a screen that makes you either put on a tip or hit a big red DECLINE button, which is embarrassing. I resent that they put that kind of pressure on the customer. I'm not giving you a tip for making my sub and ringing me up, that's your job, and you get paid a full wage (not $2/hr like a waiter). So don't make me feel bad about it. Fuckers.

 

[CarolinaKid]

as for me i tip the people i see on a reg thing more than the people i see once.i want good service when i either by myself or with a group ect when i come back.............when i go to a local club or a good place in my city to have lunch or dinner, i have np in getting the best service as i tip well to be known

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

I tip for delivery and haircuts( begrudgingly) but those fools know how to fuck you up. Who tips for cabs and valet? Harry and Defying have too much $$. I will tip for a cab but it is ridiculous. I live in Indy.

 

[festeringZit]

It is really funny how racially biased most of the posts here are. Is everyone really this small-minded as to think the world is only as big as your immediate surroundings and everything is as cut and dry as your tiny anecdotal amount of evidence? Things really are as you want to see them.

This morning there is a successful financial analyst eating brunch with his wife in Manhattan. They are ordering champagne mimosas, raw oysters and $98 steak and eggs while discussing which vintage Opus One they'll be opening that evening. When the white gloved server brings the bill the couple will tip 40% in cash and take their 2015 Mercedes back to their penthouse apartment overlooking Central Park. This couple is black.

A few hundred miles away a couple finishes angrily eating with their 5 noisy ass kids at a diner. All those mouths have totaled a $50 tab. They hardly have enough money to pay for the lot fees at their trailer park so they are paying for this measly breakfast with wrinkled up bills and spare change collected from under the car seats. They walk away from their messy booth leaving .04 cents as tip and a shitty diaper stuffed under the table. This family is white.

Perception is all about where you are and what you see.

Tipping has a lot more to do with your economic status and where you are from than it does with race no matter how stereotypical you want to be. As someone else pointed out it is also helpful if you have worked in a service industry before and know that the tips are how that person pays their rent and puts food on their table.. Not a paycheck.

"Tipping has a lot more to do with your economic status and where you are from than it does with race no matter how stereotypical you want to be."

Um , let me clue you in. People would be racist if they said that blacks were born bad tippers, genetically. This guy works in a service industry, so me thinks
his point of view is a lot more valid than yours. Being raised in a certain socio-economic demographic is no excuse in this country for not tipping. And you
trying to excuse the behavior by saying it's "where they are from" while crying "racial bias" is a laughable.

 

[gremlin]

"Tipping has a lot more to do with your economic status and where you are from than it does with race no matter how stereotypical you want to be."

Um , let me clue you in. People would be racist if they said that blacks were born bad tippers, genetically. This guy works in a service industry, so me thinks
his point of view is a lot more valid than yours. Being raised in a certain socio-economic demographic is no excuse in this country for not tipping. And you
trying to excuse the behavior by saying it's "where they are from" while crying "racial bias" is a laughable.

Let's clue you in as well. I have delivered cars and worked as a lot valet at a Porsche dealership, served tables at a high end Italian restaurant in NYC and also a top Southern country cooking restaurant down south. So I know a bit about the service industry and tipping as well. No one is saying that being raised on a certain socioeconomic level is an excuse for NOT tipping. I am saying that it is a much greater determining factor than race. If you are from a wealthy background there is a better chance you are accustomed to providing gratuity for good service (but this is no guarantee, there are rich and poor a-holes alike). Secondly where you are from and the cultural norms also determine how much or how frequently you tip. For instance if you are from a major city and lived in a building with doormen and a bellhop you are probably used to carrying cash and handing out Christmas gratuities to dozens of guys for their service over the year. Anyone from NYC can vouch for that. But if you are from Tokyo, where all waiters and can drivers are salaried and tipping is a huge slap in the face and dishonor to a waiter or driver you probably don't tip as much in the US. Finally get it right, it is not racial bias. It is confirmation bias. Look it up if you must.

 

[charliebrown]

Haven't read this whole thread so this might have been brought up already. But Its pretty well-known that the worst tippers are Canadians and Europeans -

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g45963-i10-k269437-European_Tippers_NOT-Las_Vegas_Nevada.html

 

[TheComputerGroup]

Times I tip:
Restaurants
Food delivery
Cabs
Valet guy
Car wash kid
Haircut

Unless I'm forgetting something, that's it.

And you're right Chop, it's completely out of control. When you use a credit card at Jersey Mike's there is a screen that makes you either put on a tip or hit a big red DECLINE button, which is embarrassing. I resent that they put that kind of pressure on the customer. I'm not giving you a tip for making my sub and ringing me up, that's your job, and you get paid a full wage (not $2/hr like a waiter). So don't make me feel bad about it. Fuckers.

That big red DECLINE button is psychological warfare, haha......its not hard to figure out why they make you go thru that step, they know most people will choose to tip instead if feeling embarrassed......that probably did a study on it.

 

[skoda]

How are waiters/other services relying on a tip paid $3.35? At the end of shift manager asks how much in tips today you say $30 so the manager says you worked 6 hrs so that's $5 an hour Employer pays you $3.00 for those 6 hrs now you're paid a minimum of $8. Advantage company! Employees laugh knowing tips were a bit more but they don't care until they retire an see their Social Security........ Keep the meter running

 

[HarryCaray]

Who tips for cabs and valet?

Pretty much anyone who is not a cheap bastard.