Any other consistent winners who think its rigged?

[Kobe08]

In my first month of online poker I made good money playing multiple 3/6, 5/10 tables and SNG's.
I have been a consistent winner wherever I've gone whether it be the casino, the home game or online.
Well the last month I'm down about half of what I won that month, which was about 10 days, I actually haven't played in about 2 weeks.
I was trying out 3 games of the 100NL at the same time. My 3 biggest pots were the ones I lost, and all of them I flopped top set or a fullhouse. All of these pots there was a decent sized raise preflop.

Big pot #1 I flopped top set of aces with 3 way action. Flop I bet half the pot I am called by the guy with the pair of jacks. On the turn he goes all in for a huge amount with pair of jacks and a flush draw he just had picked up on the turn, I call with the nuts, his runner runner flush comes.

Big pot # 2 I flopped top set of kings. 3 way action flop is king rag rag. I bet half the flop I am called by one. Turn is a jack, I bet 2/3 the pot I am called. River is a queen, the guy bets I raise all in the guy has ace ten, runner runner straight.

Big pot $3 This one isn't that bad but it was my third biggest pot. I flopped full house with pocket 7's over 9's, I bet into the raiser he raises all in I call.
He has pocket kings, 9 comes on the river to give him higher fullhouse.

The thing is these were my 3 biggest pots. It seems as though that in online I'm forced to make laydowns or be more passive because someone who always has something. Flopping two pair, a straight or even a set often means an upcoming bad beat in online poker.

 

[2sweet2323]

Yes

Yes I won for 4 months straight then the bad beats after bad beats kept coming. I quit the site and went to Truepoker I won 5k the first 3 weeks cashed out half I can't win a hand no matter what for the past 2 weeks. I'm looking for an honest poker room online but don't think its possibile.

 

[BoZZi]

stop the fuckin crying already

why would any of the big sites (party or stars) risk getting caught for **** like that when they make millions of rake. for somebody to win someone has to lose....you are crying about being up 2500 STFU

 

[ATSHotSheet]

Kobe,
Last night i played on a 2/4 table hold'em. I get pocket 7's. Flopp shows me 7 9 9. I raise, 4 of the 5 that called fold, one moron calls me. I have a great full house on the flop, no other option than to drag him in even more instead of just going all in. Turn shows another 7. I have me a sure winner, i raise him another 32. He just calls. River shows a K, I drag that ****** all in to the fullest, ****** calls. He shows me pocket 9's, and I lose all my money...

Bozzi,
Ur a ******** why don't u go play Craps since ur always full of crap anyways. the man is just sharing a story. U whine all the time so STFU and get some nuts and watch the BOWLs.
GL!

 

[Matt24]

Nope, dont think its rigged.

 

[BoZZi]

lol idiot, not u matt

 

[ATSHotSheet]

Bozzi is a desperate poker player who never made it. Dreams about and braggs on the forums how he plays big buy-in tournaments, doesnt have 20 bux on his account. Go to sleep....

 

[BoZZi]

ur right i suck and lets leave it at that

Los Angeles Lakers +10 (WTF kind of a line is this? LA wins SU!)
GL!

nice call

 

[WHALE]

Good for you man, I'm not so good at playing poker.

 

[ATSHotSheet]

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Los Angeles Lakers +10 (WTF kind of a line is this? LA wins SU!)
GL!

nice call
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UUU Bozzi on the run, why dont u look at the month before the last, WHO WON IT>? OO i think it was me by far far. And Ill proudly be announce winner this month too. As a Lakers fan I had to call that one straight up since SA is the only team that CAN and is ABLE to beat us this year when we face the finals. So Bozzi, once u win a month, then we can talk. NICE CALL? Man ur full of bullshit u havent had a win since 2002, how much u lose? 10k. man i feel so bad for ya. But its aight, if u get stuck somewhere, ill try and bail ur ass out, since we been around together for such a long time. Keep ur chin up buddy, i know u admire me...

Also 1 more thing, whats ur record in the BCN NBA contest, 1st month 1-3, idiot gives up, 2nd moth 0-3, the mroon gives up, 3rd month, he stars off again losing like a mofo, and he gives up. Now hes gonna talk smash to the 1st months winner. Ur a lost case, u need some help...
GL!

 

[Kobe08]

I'm usually a very non superstitious guy. I don't believe in ghosts or **** like that and I accept the fact that there is usually a scientific or reasonable explanation for everything.

But I do believe online poker is rigged and I do believe that it is furtherly rigged after you cashout. I guarantee you my numbers are handily down after cashouts. How can so many shitty players still exist on the big sites like Party, Stars, UB, Paradise....
After playing 20 hours in a fast paced online game the shitty players should become extinct. Not even a lot of short term random luck should allow them to survive. But somehow they do.

There are so many online poker rooms out there right now. Heavy marketing and advertising isn't going to be a huge factor. You have to get the fish to stay there and slowly lose their money. You can't have the fish lose and be forced to leave and find a new hobby.

If online poker is not rigged, then the only people left on the site are going to be the top upper echelon players. The games are going to be much more realistic and tight but at least its an honest game. You can flop your two pair and believe that their isn't a 75% chance you will cracked on the river by a runner runner flush or some bullshit like that. When I flop a set online, or even a straight I just pray that I won't get cracked and go broke. At the casino I'm thinking I'm gonna take all this guy's money, online, its totally different.

 

[Megacapper]

Thats because online you generally have 5-7 people in the flop versus 2-3 in a live game. That is due to general weak play and the lack of raises and multiple raises preflop. This allows weaks hands to stay in and diminishes the value of strong starting hands. For example Pocket aces are much less likely to hold up with 7 in the post drawing with connectors, small pairs and flush draws.

Most players emphasize strategy on the first 2 cards. Online there is much most importance on post flop play. If you are not winning you should take at look at how you are playing postflop. These online games are not difficult to beat. But we all have our own bad beat stories. You played the 7's correctly and you got beat. The guy probably figured if he showed aggression you may fold. He assumed he had the nuts and let you take the lead. Regardless of how the hand played out, whoever had the bottom quads was going to get burned bad. Thats poker.

 

[colbyson]

love playing the free roll but cant ever even catch half decent cards

 

[colbyson]

yes

 

[QuickLearner]

Interesting post, Megacapper.

Thats because online you generally have 5-7 people in the flop versus 2-3 in a live game. That is due to general weak play and the lack of raises and multiple raises preflop. This allows weaks hands to stay in and diminishes the value of strong starting hands.

My experience is the opposite. Brick and Mortar play is ususlly a lot looser than online. When I find an online table with 5-7 seeing the flop I put the coffee on. That's exactly where you want to be.

For example Pocket aces are much less likely to hold up with 7 in the post drawing with connectors, small pairs and flush draws.

Your point is correct, but it's the wrong point. Eight players in the hand each have 12.5% equity in the pot, or let's say that they "deserve" 1/8 equity. Your AA probably gives you a 30-35% chance of winning the pot. I can run the numbers in Pokerstove if you'd like. So, you're going to lose about 2/3 of those contests, but you'll win far more than you lose because you'll collect from 7 opponents every third time (using your example).

Most players emphasize strategy on the first 2 cards. Online there is much most importance on post flop play. If you are not winning you should take at look at how you are playing postflop. These online games are not difficult to beat. But we all have our own bad beat stories. You played the 7's correctly and you got beat. The guy probably figured if he showed aggression you may fold. He assumed he had the nuts and let you take the lead. Regardless of how the hand played out, whoever had the bottom quads was going to get burned bad. Thats poker.

I agree completely. Once you have a decent starting hand strategy spend your time working on post-flop play. Most money is won and lost when the bets double.

Stop worrying, Kobe08 and everybody else who this applies to. Online poker is not rigged.

 

[Megacapper]

I think the point with the AA's I was trying to make was that you will experience bad beats more often with more callers. Not that it is less profitable to play AA. You tend to get blindsided more often which can lead to some big losses. I lost with them to a fh 4/7's that was twice raised preflop. Now who stays in that hand (47o) but a moron. Yet this guy was way way ahead. So you would tend to think it is rigged. An hour later I get trip A's with a pair of 6's showing and lose to quad sixes. I do not think things are rigged but there are just times when every time you get a great draw someone nails you on the river.

On the other hand I had a straight flush with a 10 high the other day and the other guy in the pot had a straight flush 5 high. So you gotta figure that guy thinks things are rigged.

 

[Matt24]

I'm usually a very non superstitious guy. I don't believe in ghosts or **** like that and I accept the fact that there is usually a scientific or reasonable explanation for everything.

But I do believe online poker is rigged and I do believe that it is furtherly rigged after you cashout. I guarantee you my numbers are handily down after cashouts. How can so many shitty players still exist on the big sites like Party, Stars, UB, Paradise....
After playing 20 hours in a fast paced online game the shitty players should become extinct. Not even a lot of short term random luck should allow them to survive. But somehow they do.

There are so many online poker rooms out there right now. Heavy marketing and advertising isn't going to be a huge factor. You have to get the fish to stay there and slowly lose their money. You can't have the fish lose and be forced to leave and find a new hobby.

If online poker is not rigged, then the only people left on the site are going to be the top upper echelon players. The games are going to be much more realistic and tight but at least its an honest game. You can flop your two pair and believe that their isn't a 75% chance you will cracked on the river by a runner runner flush or some bullshit like that. When I flop a set online, or even a straight I just pray that I won't get cracked and go broke. At the casino I'm thinking I'm gonna take all this guy's money, online, its totally different.

Why do people keep coming back to the casino even though they arent beating the casino? Same thing with poker. Many are there to gamble or whatnot

 

[theswami]

What is interesting about this thread is the original poster's examples. What was the preflop action? How big were the pots on the flop before the bets? They really are not great examples of "rigged" hands:

Big Pot 1: OK you flop a set, it is a VERY strong hand. You bet one-half the pot on the flop, why? There were TWO of one suit on the board (you have NONE of this suit) so you are giving awesome odds to a guy with a four flush (luckily no one had this). I assume you bet one-half of the pot to get more $$ in the pot since you were a huge favorite to win and wanted the other guy to call and catch up a little.

Turn comes the 3rd card of a suit...RUT ROH...he caught up and now the flush draw is there. The guy with JJ LOVES his hand since he THINKS he has all the flush cards as outs (hoping you don't have the K or Q) and a 3rd J. He KNOWS that you have an Ace but so what, he shoves as a semi-bluff to project that he has made the flush and if you do not fold then he has many outs.

IMO, the hand was slow played and the poster got caught. Bad beat, yes, rigged no.

Big Pot 2: Again you bet half the pot on the flop; this one seems safe assuming that the rags can't make a str8. On the turn the guy catches a gut shot draw AND he thinks that if he catches his Ace it will be good. Just another bad beat when his gutter ball comes.

The play is typical of a bad player. He thinks his Ace will be good AND he has his straight draw. A bad player will not fold to a 2/3 pot bet. You should be happy that you play with guys like this.

Big Pot 3: JOKE!!!! You caught a miracle card to catch up and he shoved without knowing that you had a made hand. He actually had more outs on the flop than you did preflop.

These are nothing but bad beat stories.

If you think the game is fixed:

1) DO NOT PLAY!!!!

2) Announce to the table that you do not lie about your hand and when you are way ahead on the flop place your bet, tell them what you have and that they should fold. This is unethical and may be against the site's TOS but check to be sure that it isn't and proceed. Make sure you actually show your hand when everyone mucks. Hopefully, you won't get any more bad beats. OTOH, you also will not get paid off by bad players who make mistakes and miss.