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c lo I was just giving him some sound advice about not changing a breaker to a bigger size because that is a hazard plain and simple. And yes your right it's not rocket science anyone can change out a breaker but there are standards to meet and if you fail to meet those you among other bad things lose your insurance and you can be held criminally responsible for injury or death should the worst happen. I'm an industrial control electrician and don't even consider house wiring a part of our trade. I was only trying to give the guy an expierienced opinion taking health and safety into account as well as common principles.

You did mention checking wire size in one post which is good but in the next you say if 20A isn't working go to 30A and see what happens, that's bad advice and I'm warning him as he obviously has no clue when it comes to electricity, that's why he's asking.
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I'm no electrician, but I can change a breaker, switch,plug,light fixture,etc.

Thomas is basically saying that if you up the fuse/breaker size... then the new one becomes the wiring within the walls, correct Thomas ?



Doug, Thomas is simply saying that the building may not be wired with the correct gauge wiring to handle the load, simply uping the breaker size puts you at risk of an electrical fire. the breaker tripping is merely a safety measure meant to deter electrical fires. i think chevy chase did a movie with the christmas tree catching fire.............you get the idea?
 

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Thomas is right. No way around it. The service has to be upgraded and it is contractor- licensed and local permit expensive. The pole to box cable has to be upgraded and the 'box' has to be replaced. There is no mystery here. Good news is that the upgrade increases the house value.
 

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Thomas will confirm that a breaker doesn't 'supply' current it limits it.

In otherwords a 15amp breaker doesn't supply 15 amps of electricity to a circuit, it limits the circuit to 15amps.

14 gauge wire is rated to carry up to 15A safely.

your breaker could be tripping for ALL kinds of reasons.

suspect #1 and #2 are bad breaker or you're drawing too many amps.

go around and "map" out all your circuits, figure out which breaker is supplying what outlets, lights so on.

this way you'll better understand how your place is wired up.

if may be as easy as you unpluging crap from one outlet and pluging it into another one in order not to draw too much current.

good idea to go buy one of those outlet testers, test all your outlets.

once you do all that, and still can't get it to work call an electrician. all this info he is gonna need in order to fix your problem. If you have it all ready to go they'll be a little easier on you with the bill. if they gotta do all that themselves it's a big time eater.

oh, btw DO NOT EVER UP THE SIZE OF A BREAKER ON AN EXSISTING CIRCUIT.
 

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Doug, Thomas is simply saying that the building may not be wired with the correct gauge wiring to handle the load, simply uping the breaker size puts you at risk of an electrical fire. the breaker tripping is merely a safety measure meant to deter electrical fires. i think chevy chase did a movie with the christmas tree catching fire.............you get the idea?

I thought that is what I essentially said ?

It reminds me of Archie Bunker replacing a fuse with a penny, and causing a fire.

Bypass the fuse, breaker, then the wiring itself is the weak spot... potential fire.

I think PPP misunderstood me ?
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I never said go ahead replace a 15 amp breaker, with a 30 amp breaker !
 

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Thomas will confirm that a breaker doesn't 'supply' current it limits it.

In otherwords a 15amp breaker doesn't supply 15 amps of electricity to a circuit, it limits the circuit to 15amps.

14 gauge wire is rated to carry up to 15A safely.

your breaker could be tripping for ALL kinds of reasons.

suspect #1 and #2 are bad breaker or you're drawing too many amps.

go around and "map" out all your circuits, figure out which breaker is supplying what outlets, lights so on.

this way you'll better understand how your place is wired up.

if may be as easy as you unpluging crap from one outlet and pluging it into another one in order not to draw too much current.

good idea to go buy one of those outlet testers, test all your outlets.

once you do all that, and still can't get it to work call an electrician. all this info he is gonna need in order to fix your problem. If you have it all ready to go they'll be a little easier on you with the bill. if they gotta do all that themselves it's a big time eater.

oh, btw DO NOT EVER UP THE SIZE OF A BREAKER ON AN EXSISTING CIRCUIT.


Good post buddyboy !

Doug I understood what you meant.
 

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Heading there tonight and I will report back.

What's a pain is the other outlets are spread all over my shop, so I will have to run extension cords to those outlets.

I will check the amps tonight on my equipemnt and report back. Beings I am renting this building, I really don't want to upgrade anything at my expense.

The landlord has already made it known that she is not willing to upgrade it, so, I will see what I can do with other outlets.

I can run the cords descretely through my shop without too much detection I think.

thanks
bigbet, most fridges and freezers are run on seperate circuts meaning 1 15A breaker for each so if you could seperate those you would be set and you won't need an upgrade. What I really need to know is what the draw (amps) is for each of those items you mentioned and I could tell you exactly what you have to do. Look at the nameplates and check the amperage for each piece, as a rule of thumb you should have no more than 12 amps per circut (breaker) and if you can divide your equipment up to meet those standards your set and no upgrade is needed.

That's correct doug if you go to a 30 A all the wiring attached to that breaker is 30 A and your wire is only rated 15
 

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I wouldn't use extension cords. Really asking for it. I would get a couple of estimates and give it to your landlord and hammer out an agreement.
 

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Heading there tonight and I will report back.

What's a pain is the other outlets are spread all over my shop, so I will have to run extension cords to those outlets.

I will check the amps tonight on my equipemnt and report back. Beings I am renting this building, I really don't want to upgrade anything at my expense.

The landlord has already made it known that she is not willing to upgrade it, so, I will see what I can do with other outlets.

I can run the cords descretely through my shop without too much detection I think.

thanks

Most likely you need to upgrade the supply, Refrigeration is a large draw, but Thomas is the electrician.

It's just my opinion, and I'm an amateuer ( can't even spell it right), electrician.

Fortunately I know a real electrician that will do this shit for me, almost free.
 

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There's nothing wrong with extension cords if you use the right ones and the right ends. Being in the industrial sector for my whole career I can steer you in the right direction if that's what you choose to do. There are spec grade plugs and receptacles and high end extension cords that would work fine especially if it's a shop of some kind. Just let me know I can help.
 

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My electrical "contracting" is kind of limited to.... I'll change a light fixture for a little old lady for $50, help her with some other stuff... like change some light bulbs, maybe haul some junk, move a couch, or something.

I'm more the handyman type for hire for cash, that will do anything, than a real electrician.

I'd never replace a breaker with a larger amperage one.

I'm very fair, especially with senior citizens, if they hire me to do something.
 

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Doug ur as mechanically inclined as a tree stump. No Offense

I'm pretty good ( not expert) at a lot of stuff actually:

Carpentry
HVAC.. my strength
Plumbing
sheet metal.. 2nd strenth
Painting
Landscaping
Electrical
Sheetrock
Flooring

I'm well above the "average Joe" in all of these things.
 

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There's nothing wrong with extension cords if you use the right ones and the right ends. Being in the industrial sector for my whole career I can steer you in the right direction if that's what you choose to do. There are spec grade plugs and receptacles and high end extension cords that would work fine especially if it's a shop of some kind. Just let me know I can help.
Thomas,
how do you even break into the industrial electrical sector? I have trade certificates behind me and a contractors license, and even a certificate of industrial motor control specialist, but most job ads say you need to have so many years experience in a manufacturing environment or industrial experience. It seems if you didn't get started in that sector, you wont get in.
 

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since we are on the subject of electricity what is the reason when i turn the thermostat on in my den that i get a whining sound that will get lower as the heat stays on {electric baseboard heaters] is it the thermostat, baseboard heaters or breakers, i am really dumb about electricity but have changed a few plugs swithes & stuff like that, lol.
 

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