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Government is not the solution to our problem, Government is the problem.

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Tizzy, I'm with you on the key issues, ie.

1) We are in a bubble right now, soon to be burst
2) Strong family values are essential for sustainable growth.

Still, there is no arguing that the economy produces more widgets in total if both men and women work vs. one parent staying at home (hopefully the woman in the early years...yes years, not months or weeks).

Credit is an issue for sure but it goes far beyond that. Kids will become liberals if both parents talk neocon smack but act like liberals both working hard for their own titillation, leaving some funny looking nanny who barely speaks English to take them through their formative years.

Raising a family properly involves a lot of energy that is either used to give kids an identity and an idea about their place and role in the world, or to produce widgets. Sadly neocons want everyone to do the latter and just use their propaganda whenever the kids ask tough questions. As long as enough people are on the same page, the kids won't be the wiser, until they start mucking about on the internet that is.
 

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im part italian, so family is big in my life.

i always thought it was stupid how americans make fun of the chinese who tend to live with there parents until the parents die.

dave in vegas, in my mind america is fucked, which is why im leaving. there isnt a rule stating everyone who lives in america has to like it. i dont, so im leaving. other people dont, so they leave.

if you think im the only guy who doesnt like this country you are higher then a mofo
 

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Willie, there is not enough time in one day to cover each issue in the required amount of depth, but take for example the gov't turning a blind eye to blatant medical malpractice in recommending c-sections in unwarranted cases just so the hospital can charge more to the insurance company and/or because the doctor doesn't want to cancel his golf game.

Don't think it happens much? Consider that natural childbirth centers, whose clients are typically nutjobs like myself, have c-section rates below 1%, because they only recommend it when it's a life or death situation. Contrast that with the current national average of about 30% and ask yourself what the reason is for the discrepancy.

No impact on the economy? I beg to differ. 30% of America's population at $20k a pop is not peanuts. If you are reasonably healthy, there is no reason a childbirth should cost more than about $4k but you will never hear any neocon mentioning this because it would jeopardize the symbiotic relationship they have with the health insurance and health care industries.

Beyond the financial scam aspect of it there are the more important intangibles. The patient who doesn't know any better puts trust in the doctor to look out for her own interests, only to realize much later that certain hormones that help her bond with the child are missing. You can't measure the impact of stuff like that because there are so many intangibles.

Of course it's not the govt's job to take care of people, but it's also not their job to scam them and lie to them, or be in cahoots with people who do.
 

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OK, maybe Dr's inflate their incomes, or maybe they're being overly cautious, or maybe they're simply trying to make tee times, I don't know.

Very difficult scheme to prove.

A moral issue? yes
A health care issue? yes
An economic yes? not really, except to help reduce health care costs
A political issue? no
 

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BTW Willie I think it's great that you can keep your family values and live comfortably despite all the concerted efforts out there to make that difficult. I am in the same boat. My comments are not to complain, because I will do just fine no matter what the gov't does. Rather, my comments are to point out stuff that most people don't see because they are too busy going through the motions of the ratrace.
 

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c-sections up to 30% rates

sheesh thanks for filling me in on another scam of the man i wasn't aware of DP
 

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OK, maybe Dr's inflate their incomes, or maybe they're being overly cautious, or maybe they're simply trying to make tee times, I don't know.

Very difficult scheme to prove.

A moral issue? yes
A health care issue? yes
An economic yes? not really, except to help reduce health care costs
A political issue? no

It's not a micro issue I agree, as are just about none of my posts, except maybe some that are tongue-in-cheek or sarcastic. Micro issues are boring to me. I'm a big picture guy. Sorry to disappoint.
 

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Excellent post, donkeybucks.

I have no idea what Parsons is talking about. I guess this is what happens when someone refuses to follow politics and instead just spouts off whatever he feels like from his gut.

Maybe when Barack "World Citizen" Obama cedes more of his inalienable rights and sovereignty whereby the government takes away his right to homeschool his kids, Parsons will quit pouting in the corner and become a little more politically involved.

Government should be responsible for our security (rule of law, human rights etc.) and maintaining our infrastructure -- nothing more.

The rest should be left to private enterprise, private charity, the church and our families -- all sacred institutions the far left seeks to destroy with their "secular progressive" agenda.

DOWN WITH THE WELFARE STATE!

Throughout history, the utopian totalitarian left has always been OBSESSED with making life 'easier' for it's citizen.

The left ALWAYS wants more and more positive rights (manufacturing rights out of thin air) which will be the undoing of our society if enough people don't wake up and demand action.

A positive right imposes a moral obligation on a person to do something for someone, while a negative right merely obliges others to refrain from interfering with someone's attempt to do something.

A negative right is a right not to be subjected to an action of another human being, or group of people, such as a state, usually in the form of abuse or coercion. A positive right is a right to be provided with something through the action of another person or the state.

Liberals will vehemently argue otherwise and try to have it both ways, but it is easy to see how these two sets of rights are in direct conflict with one another.

Negative rights may be used to justify political rights such as freedom of speech, property, habeas corpus (but NOT for foreign terrorists!), freedom from violent crime, freedom of worship, a fair trial, freedom from slavery and the right to bear arms.

Positive rights may be used to justify public education, health care, social security or a minimum standard of living.

-- Abortion "rights" is a positive right.
-- Women "rights" (equality pay legislation etc.) is a positive right.
-- Executing narcotic traffickers is a negative right.
-- Welfare, health care, social security are positive rights.
-- "Rehabilitative justice" is a positive right.
-- Bombing terrorist training camps halfway around the world protecting you from evil doers is a negative right.

In creating more positive rights -- government programs that hand out services to it's people -- liberals continue to erode the social and economic fabric of our society.

Each time the govt raises taxes or adds a new law or layer of bureaucracy to protect you from yourself, it erodes your negative rights and disempowers YOU individual. Because govt cannot create a positive right, without infringing on the the negative rights of another.

Too many positive rights stifles the human spirit. That's what communism is.

The United States was founded on LIBERTY (negative rights) not equal outcomes (European socialism: positive rights).

But don't take my word for it. Read the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Then come back and try and convince me that liberalism and the values represented in the modern Democrat are 'American.'

They absolutely are NOT.
 

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DP you make great points as to the benefits of natural child birth

to blame it on neo-cons instead of government in general is where I think you are wrong.

In comes down to valuing the sanctity of being a parent in this world...which would lead one to research wholly on their own, etc.

Sadly, for most, this isnt this case, and they rest all their hopes in the doctor's hands
 

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Romo, thanks but the only reason I mentioned neocons is because everyone already knows liberals couldn't give a hoot about traditional family values. They're so far off the deep end it isn't even worth mentioning.

Dems may, however, in their primordial instincts to do the opposite of neocons just for the sake of doing the opposite, may get an issue right here and there just by the "blind chicken occasionally finds some seeds" theory.

And you make a good point about personal responsibility. Still, if you give free rein to everyone to lie, cheat, and scam, under the theory that the patient who falls for a scam deserves it, then I hope you feel the same way about companies and institutions that go under because of getting scammed by customers. It's got to go both ways, right?
 

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I dont condone the practice you pointed out. Nor do I know anything beyond the stats you have pointed out.

But if its true I guess its just a fact of life.

It is indeed a shame that the only way to get justice in this country, although its not any better anywhere else, is with the money for a good lawyer.

As for companies being scammed. In what way?

Do you feel guilty returning an item that isnt defective but you simply only found a use for once?
 

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im part italian, so family is big in my life.

i always thought it was stupid how americans make fun of the chinese who tend to live with there parents until the parents die.

dave in vegas, in my mind america is fucked, which is why im leaving. there isnt a rule stating everyone who lives in america has to like it. i dont, so im leaving. other people dont, so they leave.

if you think im the only guy who doesnt like this country you are higher then a mofo

I don’t know anyone who makes fun of the Chinese for living together, your assertion not mine. America is fucked, I get it, you don’t need to post it every time. If your not careful PETA is going to protest in front of your house for beating a dead horse. Your leaving, I get it, you don’t need to posted it every time. You are a broken record. Get a life.
 

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Dave, I like that PETA line :103631605

I might have to use it in tizdoom's "sell, sell, sell" thread.
 

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y starting to reach a point even i personally am getting sick of it willie

soon i'll probably just shut up and let time do its thing
 

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y starting to reach a point even i personally am getting sick of it willie

soon i'll probably just shut up and let time do its thing

TIME is Willie's best friend, tizdoom. (Mine and Larry Kudlow's best friend as well!)

That's because amongst all your trendy misinformed doom-gloom, only timeless principles matter. So long as we never stray from our core principles, the future will always belong to the land of the free and home of the brave. :103631605

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i now has this bookmarked along with some other threads for future reference

feel free to do the same...LOL
 

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I dont condone the practice you pointed out. Nor do I know anything beyond the stats you have pointed out.

But if its true I guess its just a fact of life.

It is indeed a shame that the only way to get justice in this country, although its not any better anywhere else, is with the money for a good lawyer.

As for companies being scammed. In what way?

Do you feel guilty returning an item that isnt defective but you simply only found a use for once?

For example, taking out a loan for a house and signing a contract promising to repay it regardless of the value of the house, and then just walking away from it when the house drops below a certain threshhold value.

Another might be filling up take-home jugs of soda from the fountains that are for free refills. It doesn't matter. The principle is what I'm talking about.

Returning items like you mention is another example.

As an aside, I can't remember the last time I ever returned any item for any reason and I usually throw away warranty cards, even for my car because I work on it myself which voids the warranty and still feel I'm heavy +EV doing it this way. That's just me, though. I've bought stuff, realized it sucks and then tossed it, chalking it up to my own stupidity. It's not benevolence towards the store that keeps me from returning it, though, usually just the hassle.
 

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