I think Mariota and Hundley are both very talented stand up young men, and I think they both have the best chance we've seen of mobile QBs thus far to have success in the NFL. I think they both have better chances than manziel as well. I loved Johnny football in college and he's excitingr but I don't think he will be as electric in the NFL, but only time will tell.
jameis has a lot of upside, talent wise.... But he has an obvious fatal flaw.... It's apparent that when he's surrounded by supreme talent he is a a great qb and can get away with more mistakes. This year he doesn't have as much talent around him and they are relying on him to make big throws and dissect defensive coverages pre and post snap.... It's obvious.... He doesn't possess that ability at this point in time. He may be able to learn this but he's obviously not intelligent enough to do so quickly, so how is he going to do this at the NFL level...??? I don't think he can. He reminds me of Jamarcus Russell to a T. His biggest flaw will be his down fall in my opinion. No doubt about it, he's a great talent, but I think he has a 10 cent head and won't be able to keep up with the speed of the game at the NFL level and defensive coordinators will have field day with him every Sunday... You can't keep throwing into triple coverage in college, windows are tighter in the NFL, timing is more important, reading coverages and matchups pre and post snap are one of if not the most important skill a qb must possess.... He doesn't... Luck did, Mariota does, Hundley does, winston.......unfortunately at this time does not... He's going to need some serious refinement and help to become better at that, he needs to go back to school.... But he won't... The NFL will eat him alive
jameis has a lot of upside, talent wise.... But he has an obvious fatal flaw.... It's apparent that when he's surrounded by supreme talent he is a a great qb and can get away with more mistakes. This year he doesn't have as much talent around him and they are relying on him to make big throws and dissect defensive coverages pre and post snap.... It's obvious.... He doesn't possess that ability at this point in time. He may be able to learn this but he's obviously not intelligent enough to do so quickly, so how is he going to do this at the NFL level...??? I don't think he can. He reminds me of Jamarcus Russell to a T. His biggest flaw will be his down fall in my opinion. No doubt about it, he's a great talent, but I think he has a 10 cent head and won't be able to keep up with the speed of the game at the NFL level and defensive coordinators will have field day with him every Sunday... You can't keep throwing into triple coverage in college, windows are tighter in the NFL, timing is more important, reading coverages and matchups pre and post snap are one of if not the most important skill a qb must possess.... He doesn't... Luck did, Mariota does, Hundley does, winston.......unfortunately at this time does not... He's going to need some serious refinement and help to become better at that, he needs to go back to school.... But he won't... The NFL will eat him alive
winston seems like an obvious bust candidate...won't really touch on that more but i'd be shocked if he's a starter anywhere in his career for more than a year or 2.
i suppose there is more debate over hundley but i don't see him doing anything in the NFL. he's a cam newton AT BEST imo. it should rub a lot of GM's the wrong way how this guy takes himself out of games and seems pretty soft. the latest example being the stanford game. hand injury and basically nobody looking at him while he watches his backup handle the garbage time
now mariota i have some bias being an oregon fan but i think (hope) he gets a decent team to play for at next level. i think best case scenario realistically is the titans. i like the coaching staff and the defense isn't that bad. the bucs would be a nice fit too but i think they'll win a few too many games and won't be in the running
hopefully jaguars and oakland stay away b/c they think they have their QB's already
pray for mariota if jets get their hands on him.
and total opposite side of spectrum from jets is maybe lesean mccoy for #1 draft pick and he goes to eagles??? if that happens i'll be taking mariota in every fantasy league i enter next year as well as offensive ROY futures.
i suppose there is more debate over hundley but i don't see him doing anything in the NFL. he's a cam newton AT BEST imo. it should rub a lot of GM's the wrong way how this guy takes himself out of games and seems pretty soft. the latest example being the stanford game. hand injury and basically nobody looking at him while he watches his backup handle the garbage time
now mariota i have some bias being an oregon fan but i think (hope) he gets a decent team to play for at next level. i think best case scenario realistically is the titans. i like the coaching staff and the defense isn't that bad. the bucs would be a nice fit too but i think they'll win a few too many games and won't be in the running
hopefully jaguars and oakland stay away b/c they think they have their QB's already
pray for mariota if jets get their hands on him.
and total opposite side of spectrum from jets is maybe lesean mccoy for #1 draft pick and he goes to eagles??? if that happens i'll be taking mariota in every fantasy league i enter next year as well as offensive ROY futures.
I know a lot of people think the Eagles will never sniff Mariota with Tampa bay and the jets needing QBs, but I don't think its to much of. Stretch to see the Eagles gunning for Mariota. When chip left for the NFL and signed with the Eagles he did so because he knew the Eagles would work with him directly on player personnel and the draft every year to make sure he got the exact played he needed to fit his scheme.... Some gms and their scouts don't allow as much influence from a coach. i think chip has a ton of influence on who the eagles need, draft and sign... It may seem Unlikely but Its not impossible.... Trade a first round pick next year, McCoy and maybe another draft pick next year like a 3-4th round pick and I could see them getting into position to grab him... You could insert Mariota immediately into that system and get immediate production... I think the Titans like you already said tho are the obvious choice as of now
What I've noticed is that over the course of Mariotas career at oregon he has stopped scrambling so much. When you break down his performance from year to year and actually watch him make reads and stay in the pocket he rarely runs unless it's a designed run/read option or his WRs are covered... If you really play close attention he first steps up into the pocket and try's to make a throw, if it's not there he then works hi way to the sideline to keep the play alive. He no longer looks to sprint downfield and take shots he works his way instead toward the boundaries. He's smart and gets better every year and every game, he rarely take big hits. I think the addition of a true between the tackles RB has taken a lot of pressure off him. I think Royce freeman is the real deal and could perform just as well out of a pro style offense as a spread. But that's tangentital to the point. I think Mariota's poise and football iq will help him transition to the NFL quicker than most would expect, but like I said only time will tell...certain players just "feel" the game and "see" the game in a different way than the rest, and those guys are usually successful.
Heres somethig else to think about, and I mean this with no disrespect to any alabama fans or Florida state fans..... How well have the last few QBs from both schools faired in the NFL...??? I mean I hear all this bullshit about prostyle QBs in college and how they are so much better off, yet, Greg McElroy was shit, AJ McCarron probably won't ever get much of a chance because he's not that talented(but he has to get a chance before I write him off) , Sanchez is just now becoming average, ej Manuel and ponder both show zero ability to succeed at the NFL level as anything more than a backup...what qb from fsu or alabama, or usc has been successful since Carson Palmer?? Being an NFL qb takes intellect and certain intangibles that even I don't know about... But don't fall in love with prostyle college QBs, they fail just as much as any other qb... Just let these guys playout and see what happens
Mariota certainly has a fighting chance to succeed, at least more of a chance than the rest of the QB class. However, this is a class that lacks any top flight passer who is a lock for a top five grade from the scouts. Obviously, scouts are wrong all the time, but their analysis will dictate how many teams maneuver through the draft. Most scouts give Mariota an overall grade more similar to a Teddy Bridgewater or Geno Smith when they were coming out of college. Those types of grades are more similar to a 15-20 first round pick, not a top five pick. Being the top QB prospect in the class, he will be drafted higher than his grade, which will put even more pressure on him to succeed and likely succeed very early in his career. Unless he lands on a bad team whose coach has some stability, which is a rarity in the NFL, he won’t have the luxury of sitting on the bench long and learning, if at all. As a developmental project as a pocket passer, this could spook some teams from drafting him that far above his grade.
From all accounts he seems to be very intelligent, a fast study, possesses excellent work habits and does all the “off the field” things well, which will be incredibly attractive to NFL GM’s considering investing in him as their QB for the future.
The biggest concerns the scouts have are the system he runs at Oregon, his accuracy, pocket presence, ball protection and weight. The latter two shouldn’t be huge concerns because he has shown an ability to add weight in his time at Oregon and has the frame to do it. In terms of ball protection, with the right coaches they should be able to correct this issue rather quickly.
The system is a major concern due to the typical plays Oregon runs. They don’t even have post or dig routes in the offense and limited curl and slant routes, at least similar to those run in most NFL offenses. So, it’s not a matter of him grading poorly on these routes as much as it’s just an unknown because he hasn’t been asked to do it very often. This has led to questions on his accuracy. He is a 66.7% passer at Oregon, but around ¼ or slightly more of his passes are screens and bubble routes at or behind the line of scrimmage. Removing those short routes his completion percentage drops to the 60’ish range downfield.
He has also struggled with his progressions to his second and third read, but has improved in this area, but his numbers still have taken a significant hit when his initial option isn’t open and concerns with him leading receivers open. Part of this reads into the notion that Mariota doesn’t make pre-snap reads and relies on coaches in this area, which is uncommon for top tier prospects, but this is another area he has improved as the coaches have relied on him more this season on this front than last season.
At this point, it appears he should go in the #2-#6 range, most likely to Tampa Bay, Tennessee or the NY Jets, who all run pro-style offenses, which could hinder Mariota’s development. It would be helpful for him if he comes into whatever situation with a new coach, which should give him a bit more time to develop versus going to a team like Tampa and them retaining Smith, who would need to win immediately or lose his job.
It should be interesting to see how it all plays out and where he lands…..
From all accounts he seems to be very intelligent, a fast study, possesses excellent work habits and does all the “off the field” things well, which will be incredibly attractive to NFL GM’s considering investing in him as their QB for the future.
The biggest concerns the scouts have are the system he runs at Oregon, his accuracy, pocket presence, ball protection and weight. The latter two shouldn’t be huge concerns because he has shown an ability to add weight in his time at Oregon and has the frame to do it. In terms of ball protection, with the right coaches they should be able to correct this issue rather quickly.
The system is a major concern due to the typical plays Oregon runs. They don’t even have post or dig routes in the offense and limited curl and slant routes, at least similar to those run in most NFL offenses. So, it’s not a matter of him grading poorly on these routes as much as it’s just an unknown because he hasn’t been asked to do it very often. This has led to questions on his accuracy. He is a 66.7% passer at Oregon, but around ¼ or slightly more of his passes are screens and bubble routes at or behind the line of scrimmage. Removing those short routes his completion percentage drops to the 60’ish range downfield.
He has also struggled with his progressions to his second and third read, but has improved in this area, but his numbers still have taken a significant hit when his initial option isn’t open and concerns with him leading receivers open. Part of this reads into the notion that Mariota doesn’t make pre-snap reads and relies on coaches in this area, which is uncommon for top tier prospects, but this is another area he has improved as the coaches have relied on him more this season on this front than last season.
At this point, it appears he should go in the #2-#6 range, most likely to Tampa Bay, Tennessee or the NY Jets, who all run pro-style offenses, which could hinder Mariota’s development. It would be helpful for him if he comes into whatever situation with a new coach, which should give him a bit more time to develop versus going to a team like Tampa and them retaining Smith, who would need to win immediately or lose his job.
It should be interesting to see how it all plays out and where he lands…..
