Igetp2s said:
Wrong.
Satellite tourney, 9 players get in, 10 players left and you are 2nd in chips. The chip leader goes all-in before you. Your move is to fold, as you can likely fold your way into the satellite spot, instead of needlessly risking a confrontation with no real reward.
I don't need to read books to know what to do with AA and someone raising preflop. It depends on what your goals are. If your goal is to finish in the money, and you don't want to take a chance of getting knocked out, than maybe it makes sense to fold.
If your goal is to win, which is what it should be, then you never, ever throw away AA pre-flop. The game is always, always about positive expected value, and there is no hand with bigger expected value before the flop than AA, regardless of the situation or the number of opponents.
If your goal is to win, which is what it should be, then you never, ever throw away AA pre-flop. The game is always, always about positive expected value, and there is no hand with bigger expected value before the flop than AA, regardless of the situation or the number of opponents.
looked for other info on him folding during a tourney and could not find it Phil Hellmuth's Starting Hands
By Alan Cooper
“Tight is right and supertight is better than right.” Phil Hellmuth in Play Poker Like the Pros. <CENTER><TABLE borderColor=#cccccc cellSpacing=0 width=238 border=1>
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Top 10 Starting Hands for Beginners
</TD></TR><TR borderColor=#cccccc><TD width=37>1</TD><TD width=185>AA</TD></TR><TR borderColor=#cccccc><TD>2</TD><TD>KK</TD></TR><TR borderColor=#cccccc><TD>3</TD><TD>QQ</TD></TR><TR borderColor=#cccccc><TD>4</TD><TD>AK</TD></TR><TR borderColor=#cccccc><TD>5</TD><TD>JJ</TD></TR><TR borderColor=#cccccc><TD>6</TD><TD>10 10 </TD></TR><TR borderColor=#cccccc><TD>7</TD><TD>99</TD></TR><TR borderColor=#cccccc><TD>8</TD><TD>88</TD></TR><TR borderColor=#cccccc><TD>9</TD><TD>AQ</TD></TR><TR borderColor=#cccccc><TD>10</TD><TD>77</TD></TR><TR borderColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=2>Additional Starting Hands for Intermediate Players
</TD></TR><TR borderColor=#cccccc><TD> </TD><TD>66, 55, 44, 33, 22 </TD></TR><TR borderColor=#cccccc><TD> </TD><TD>Ax suited </TD></TR><TR borderColor=#cccccc><TD> </TD><TD>KQ</TD></TR></TABLE></CENTER>
Phil Hellmuth guarantees that if you limit yourself to playing only these ten starting hands, you can crush any average game. Hellmuth suggest you can play these hands from any position, and should almost always raise and rereaise with these hands.
Sounds simple enough. But if poker is really that easy, wouldn’t everyone make it to the final table of the World Series of Poker? Is Hellmuth’s simple system really that powerful?
Dante said:
In TOURNAY play, ABSOLUTELY he would(or has) if the situation calls for it.
When to Fold Aces Pre-flop
February 21, 2005
by PHIL HELLMUTH
While playing recently in ESPN's World Championship of Poker, the following hand came up. With the blinds at $2,000-$4,000, and the antes at $500 a man, Michael picked up A-A in the first position and folded it. I stand by Michael's play and claim that it was the right move, 100%!
Why do I support the lay down" How can it be correct to fold pocket aces before the flop" Facts: Michael was at the table before the final card was dealt: Michael did have the chip lead at the table that day: there were 55 players left, and 45 of them were going to get paid. So then, what the heck is going on here'
Michael Madsen is a famous actor who has been in 64 movies. You might know him from"Reservoir Dogs,"a recent James Bond movie (as Felix), or his starring role in"Kill Bill: Volume Two." Or perhaps you'll know him as the lead character (Don Everest, nicknamed"The Matador') in the new ESPN series"Tilt." By the way,"ESPN's World Championship of Poker"exists only in the show"Tilt.'
It went down like this: I was on the set of"Tilt,"sitting in the 7-seat, with The Matador in the 4-seat, when the director Jeremiah Chechik said,"Michael, we will deal you a hand, then you fold it, and walk over and talk to another character on the rail." Michael then looked at the hand, but it took him almost a full minute to fold it. I noticed that he was a bit slow to fold his hand, but thought nothing of it.
When the scene was over and we were all sitting down queuing up for the next take, Michael looks over at the dealer and says,"What the Hell man, why did you have to deal me pocket aces last hand'" I said,"I noticed that it took a long time for you to fold." Michael said,"No kidding man, it was pocket aces." At which point a good laugh was had by all.
I then said,"That's the only time I've ever heard of, where it was correct to throw away pocket aces before the flop!" Look for my scene in episode number eight, where I conduct myself with my usual table decorum'
By the way, poker star Annie Duke tells me that she has folded pocket aces before the flop on at least one occasion. Of course, there are cases where this would be the correct play.
Why risk getting eliminated when you're only a four-and-a-half to one favorite or less" Why not simply fold and wait for someone else to go broke" After all, eight players all get paid the same in a super satellite. It is a very rare case indeed, that it would actually be correct to fold pocket aces before the flop. It just goes to show you, never say never in poker!
Since Phils' nick-name is YUM YUM and considered a joke in the big cash games, i would not follow anything he says.
Greenstein does a good break down on players and gives Phil a 3 on casg games.
http://www.barrygreenstein.com/player.htm
In the A-A thing, if you are in a tourney that say top 11 all advance and you are sitting pretty and someone goes all in with say 15 people left I think folding is the smart thing to do.
Greenstein does a good break down on players and gives Phil a 3 on casg games.
http://www.barrygreenstein.com/player.htm
In the A-A thing, if you are in a tourney that say top 11 all advance and you are sitting pretty and someone goes all in with say 15 people left I think folding is the smart thing to do.
