AA in poker

[RobFunk]

You guys make it sound like if I am forced to make a big raise with AA, I should do it every single time because I have a statistical edge.

No way.

 

[TheTouthouse]

You guys make it sound like if I am forced to make a big raise with AA, I should do it every single time because I have a statistical edge.

No way.

You are not forced to do anything. But if someone raises you pre-flop and you hold AA. Regardless of the chip count. Anyone who folds this hand in my opinion is either on drugs or has some type of mental problem. IMO

uppy:

 

[MIKEY.1TIME]

obviously the hands you are against will change the odds, but here is one scenario. the aa is just over a coinflip better vs 3 all ins.
sorry about the large link!


http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_odd...1OiJwcm9jZXNzaW5nX3RpbWUiO3M6NToiMC4zMzQiO30=

 

[RobFunk]

You are not forced to do anything. But if someone raises you pre-flop and you hold AA. Regardless of the chip count. Anyone who folds this hand in my opinion is either on drugs or has some type of mental problem. IMO

uppy:

I don't think I'm getting across what I'm saying.


If I have 165,000 I am in 3rd. Guy in 6th with 90,000 goes all in. theres still 16-20 players left. I have to think twice about that. Giving up over half my stack without seeing the flop. AA is a nice edge, it's not a 100% win.

 

[TheTouthouse]

obviously the hands you are against will change the odds, but here is one scenario. the aa is just over a coinflip better vs 3 all ins.
sorry about the large link!


http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_odds/texas_holdem/index.php?stats=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

So you fold the AA because you are afraid of the 33 beating you pre flop?????

:nohead:

 

[Fishhead]

Different types of strategy will certainly be involved in tounaments vs. live ring games.

 

[TheTouthouse]

Different types of strategy will certainly be involved in tounaments vs. live ring games.

This is true, I guess what Funk is saying is that he is more comfortable laying AA down with a big chip lead.

Personally when I have the big stack I tend to put more pressure on other players and holding AA "preflop" is the strongest time to do this.

 

[Fishhead]

This is true, I guess what Funk is saying is that he is more comfortable laying AA down with a big chip lead.

Personally when I have the big stack I tend to put more pressure on other players and holding AA "preflop" is the strongest time to do this.

Personally, have never folded A-A in a live ring game........and probably never will.

However in the rarest of rarest instances it may be feasable.

 

[peskypup]

I make the last 3 of 50% of 10 player sit n gos. I have won these from having been busted down from 1000 to less than 150 chips but I have never won one from having been busted down to nil chips.

The reward of doubling my stack in an early hand is minimal compared to the risk of going out.

I may be 80% favourite to win that hand against one opponent, but I repeat - my expected value in folding AA pre flop in that situation is huge, it is a complete no-brainer.

This does not apply in games where you are not confident you are likely to be the best of the 10 players. I would go all-in then probably.

 

[MIKEY.1TIME]

So you fold the AA because you are afraid of the 33 beating you pre flop?????

:nohead:

tout, this was to show that the odds arent great. i am not overly comfortable facing a qq kjs and a 99, i dont know where you got 33

 

[TheTouthouse]

tout, this was to show that the odds arent great. i am not overly comfortable facing a qq kjs and a 99, i dont know where you got 33

YOU ARE NOT COMFORTABLE FACING A QQ, KJ, OR 99 PREFLOP WHEN YOU ARE HOLDING AA?????????????

 

[MIKEY.1TIME]

YOU ARE NOT COMFORTABLE FACING A QQ, KJ, OR 99 PREFLOP WHEN YOU ARE HOLDING AA?????????????

not or, and. wtf?

 

[steeser]

I am sorry but this is rubbish advice with regard to tournament play.

1. Let's say it is the first hand of the event and a maniac puts you all-in pre-flop. This is a clear fold for any player who is confident he or she is in the top 2 at that table. The fold is huge EV here.

2. Now let's say I have 6,000 chips and three others each have 2,000. They all go all in pre-flop and I am in the big blind. This is an easy fold even with AA. 9 times out of 10 you are going to be in the last 2 players here with 50% of the chips. The fold here is huge EV once again.

AA is my most profitable hand naturally enough, but there are plenty of situations where it is a sensible lay-dow pre flop.

1. A fold here is huge -EV. All folding does is eliminate the chance of you getting knocked out on this hand. You aren't good enough to pass up an 80% chance of doubling your stack.

2. This depends on if it's a SNG, final 4 of a major tourney, etc....but your basic premise is dead wrong. You can count on 1 or 2 fingers the times when folding AA is the right thing to do.

 

[steeser]

I make the last 3 of 50% of 10 player sit n gos. I have won these from having been busted down from 1000 to less than 150 chips but I have never won one from having been busted down to nil chips.

The reward of doubling my stack in an early hand is minimal compared to the risk of going out.

I may be 80% favourite to win that hand against one opponent, but I repeat - my expected value in folding AA pre flop in that situation is huge, it is a complete no-brainer.

This does not apply in games where you are not confident you are likely to be the best of the 10 players. I would go all-in then probably.

Wrong again.

It's fairly easy to see why poker is so profitable, reading all of the posts in this thread.

 

[TheTouthouse]

I AGREE :thumbsup2:

 

[Stocks]

I like the all in preflop with AA your 80% to win against 1 player your a huge favorite, and If you dont go all in you get 5 or 6 players seeing the flop and if they get any part of the flop at all they're calling to the end and they'll catch something on the river but it all depends on the sistuation.

 

[bdgear]

I AGREE :thumbsup2:

:thumbsup2:

 

[Kruser6]

Wrong again.

It's fairly easy to see why poker is so profitable, reading all of the posts in this thread.

Exactly.

All I can say is ANYTIME I get AA it is obvious that you have THE VERY BEST hand preflop. When I know I have the best hand then I want to have AS MUCH MONEY POSSIBLE that I can have into the pot. If I am playing $100 400 person tourney and there is one person to get knocked out to make the money. . . I would call an all in with AA without even blinking. I have the best hand and if I can lay all my chips on the table preflop then I am going to do that. Folding AA preflop is insane.

 

[Dante]

Wrong again.

It's fairly easy to see why poker is so profitable, reading all of the posts in this thread.

I have to agree also...I think people are just being misinformed to an extent...I just hope if thier are people that will fold AA preflop at times and are playing in the RX bash tourney to PLEASE sit at my table :thumbsup2:

 

[steeser]

I think people are used to hearing that they don't want to put their life on the line for a coin-flip, which while inevitable at some point in almost all tournaments, is basically true. But the main thing with AA being a coin-flip against 3 other people, is that if you win you are multiplying your stack by 4, which is way +EV for a "coin-flip" situation.