Three of them go all in before the flop? What can I do? Folding the best hand so only to get beat as the river turn????
And it's not once, but 4 times happen in two days, that's why I'm yellling hear....What's the odd on that?
AA=over 40% in a full ten people game. That's very high to me, espeically only one is calling.
And it's not once, but 4 times happen in two days, that's why I'm yellling hear....What's the odd on that?
AA=over 40% in a full ten people game. That's very high to me, espeically only one is calling.
AA is never an all-in hand in a tourney to me unless I am short stacked. It is a raise of 2.5 to 4 times the BB and no more than that.
AA is 35% or so likely to win against 9 random hands, and 80% or better against any one hand. If you get 9 callers that is fine, you've put in 10% of the chips with a 35% chance of winning the hand which is a huge edge you will never see on any sports bet.
If it is early in a tournament and I raise with AA pre-flop and someone goes all-in then I fold. Here's why:
1. On average I am the best or second-best player at the table.
2. In my last 300 10 player SnGs I hve been 10th twice.
3. On average someone going all-in early on against a raise is a loose aggressive maniac who will either bust out early or lose his chips steadily to me if he sticks around until the last 3 or 4 players.
Once the flop arrives you need to be very careful with AA especially if you have a tight image. If someone whose game I respect raises my flop bet or if the flop is highly textured and I get more than 2 callers, I will tend to think that I am drawing to the board pairing as a minimum or perhaps to a third A if there are no flush or straight draws out there.
If someone wants to check & call to the river against my AA and it turns out they were slow playing a set or they hit the river to beat me, then so be it. Unless I am short stacked I want to have at least half my stack left at the end of the hand whatever happens, so if I am leading the betting throughout then I plan my stakes accordingly.
I never fall in love with AA or KK or QQ and they are all very profitable for me.
AA is 35% or so likely to win against 9 random hands, and 80% or better against any one hand. If you get 9 callers that is fine, you've put in 10% of the chips with a 35% chance of winning the hand which is a huge edge you will never see on any sports bet.
If it is early in a tournament and I raise with AA pre-flop and someone goes all-in then I fold. Here's why:
1. On average I am the best or second-best player at the table.
2. In my last 300 10 player SnGs I hve been 10th twice.
3. On average someone going all-in early on against a raise is a loose aggressive maniac who will either bust out early or lose his chips steadily to me if he sticks around until the last 3 or 4 players.
Once the flop arrives you need to be very careful with AA especially if you have a tight image. If someone whose game I respect raises my flop bet or if the flop is highly textured and I get more than 2 callers, I will tend to think that I am drawing to the board pairing as a minimum or perhaps to a third A if there are no flush or straight draws out there.
If someone wants to check & call to the river against my AA and it turns out they were slow playing a set or they hit the river to beat me, then so be it. Unless I am short stacked I want to have at least half my stack left at the end of the hand whatever happens, so if I am leading the betting throughout then I plan my stakes accordingly.
I never fall in love with AA or KK or QQ and they are all very profitable for me.
World Number One said:
Exactly describes how I feel about it. Just think how many times you've seen a pair win a hand in a 10-person game. Not many. On the other hand, it is nice to have to put together with another Ace on the board but then you're only talking 3 of a kind and we all know how many hands can beat that.
AA pre flop all in is a momentum play or a come from behind play
Never put these cards all in pre flop when you are doing OK for yourself
I've folded this hand a few times because the pre raise was too large and there were more than 1 other player still in , and I was sitting on a decent stack.
Never put these cards all in pre flop when you are doing OK for yourself
I've folded this hand a few times because the pre raise was too large and there were more than 1 other player still in , and I was sitting on a decent stack.
I am sorry but this is rubbish advice with regard to tournament play.
1. Let's say it is the first hand of the event and a maniac puts you all-in pre-flop. This is a clear fold for any player who is confident he or she is in the top 2 at that table. The fold is huge EV here.
2. Now let's say I have 6,000 chips and three others each have 2,000. They all go all in pre-flop and I am in the big blind. This is an easy fold even with AA. 9 times out of 10 you are going to be in the last 2 players here with 50% of the chips. The fold here is huge EV once again.
AA is my most profitable hand naturally enough, but there are plenty of situations where it is a sensible lay-dow pre flop.
1. Let's say it is the first hand of the event and a maniac puts you all-in pre-flop. This is a clear fold for any player who is confident he or she is in the top 2 at that table. The fold is huge EV here.
2. Now let's say I have 6,000 chips and three others each have 2,000. They all go all in pre-flop and I am in the big blind. This is an easy fold even with AA. 9 times out of 10 you are going to be in the last 2 players here with 50% of the chips. The fold here is huge EV once again.
AA is my most profitable hand naturally enough, but there are plenty of situations where it is a sensible lay-dow pre flop.
Dante said:
Regardless of how good a caliber player you are and regardless of where you "think" you are in relationship to the talent of the table. Folding AA Pre-Flop in a tournament game is a big No-No. There is no other situation "pre-flop" where you have a bigger advantage over any other player.
I agree with you Dante.
peskypup said:
HOW often does that happen? id say that is very rare that ALL go all in and your the only one there with the chip lead and AA
come on that is reaching pretty big ...but it makes sense in that exact spot
but 100% disagree As to your first point ...if a maniac puts you all in and You have AA you call EASILY even if it is the FIRST hand heads up its better then 65% chance AA holds....
