WOW I m surprised alot of usually smart people in othersports seem so stupid in this thread.
FISHEAD- C mon man you seem like a pretty smart dude .How can you honestly say that this isnt that big of a blow to the BOsox.And then you re further comment bout Keith Foulke being a better pickup for the sox as AROD is For the Yanks.
From reading your past posts and the fact you are a moderator I think you are probably a pretty bright fella. But you cant seriously mean these comments?
augs15
FISHEAD- C mon man you seem like a pretty smart dude .How can you honestly say that this isnt that big of a blow to the BOsox.And then you re further comment bout Keith Foulke being a better pickup for the sox as AROD is For the Yanks.
From reading your past posts and the fact you are a moderator I think you are probably a pretty bright fella. But you cant seriously mean these comments?
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Celaya:
Here is their batting starting lineup my prediction:
SS-Derek Jeter
CF-Bernie Williams
3B-Alex Rodriguez
RF-Gary Sheffield
DH-Jason Giambi
LF-Hideki Matsui
C-Jorge Posada
1B-?
2B-?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
COMPARED TO........
DAMON
REESE
NOMAR
MANNY
ORTIZ
MILLAR
NIXON
VARITEK
MUELLAR..(AL batting champ 9th!)
RPH-BURKS
LPH-DAUBACH
Here is their batting starting lineup my prediction:
SS-Derek Jeter
CF-Bernie Williams
3B-Alex Rodriguez
RF-Gary Sheffield
DH-Jason Giambi
LF-Hideki Matsui
C-Jorge Posada
1B-?
2B-?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
COMPARED TO........
DAMON
REESE
NOMAR
MANNY
ORTIZ
MILLAR
NIXON
VARITEK
MUELLAR..(AL batting champ 9th!)
RPH-BURKS
LPH-DAUBACH
FishHead, I hope Your right and the Redsox can finally do it this year and past the yankees they do have a strong lineup, But when was the last time they finish first? They have come in 2nd place in the division what now 8 straight years, This yankee team is the best team they ever had. I'm sure the yanks are not done and will make some key trades during the middle of the season and probably trade a couple of minor league players for the big unit Randy Johnson.
A Fenway Experience.
Jake Foley's Fenway Experience
Fans: My earliest Fenway Park memory is from 1961 - I remember that feeling of entering a cathedral, and noticing how BIG the players looked when taking infield. My Grampa, Charley Weir, took my older brother and I to his usual haunt in the right-field stands, and when a skinny kid took his place in left field to a chorus of boos, I asked Gramp why people didn't like him? He replied that it was just people with little knowledge of baseball, and less patience; his take was - "Let's give the kid a chance - he'll turn out OK." Even Gramp didn't know that Yaz would one day be a Triple Crown and MVP winner, but the torch was passed.
My most memorable experience also involved Grampa Charley, and the Yankees. It was late 60's, and the Home Town Team was taking a licking, down 9-3 in the bottom of the ninth. As many of the fans have related, it behooves out-of-town fans to leave early to beat the rush. When I asked Grampa if we HAD to go (It's a long ways from central Vermont to Fenway), he just laughed, and said "It's not over till it's over" and turned to holler to the next batter "Come on, boys, let's GO!" After a few scratch hits, a hit batsman, a Yaz bomb into the bullpen, our Sox whupped the Yankees 10-9. (If you don't believe me, like the Perfessor says, you could look it up.)
Last, but perhaps most important, is the continuity of rooting for the Red Sox. In 1962, when I was 12, Grampa brought my brother and I to the Fens on the spur of the moment, and was unable to get his usual seats in right field, so we were schlepping down Lansdowne St. to get into the bleachers. It was almost gametime, and most of the crowd had cleared out. I remember all the food vendors closing up their carts, and gawking at the net atop the Green Monster.......... and I walked headlong into the first parking meter in line next to the Wall!!!! I was embarrassed, but Gramp just smiled, and said he was sure it happened to a lot of people their first time down Lansdowne Street.
Fast forward to 1992, when my Cincinnati Red wife (She's coming around) and I took our den of 12-year old Cub Scouts to get some bleacher seats to see the White Sox with Bo Jackson. We took them on the subway (Ten 12-year olds - keep them together in a crowd!), and watched them as they schlepped down Lansdowne Street, looking at the hat and food vendors closing up their carts, gawking at the net atop the Green Monster........... and my eldest son (age 12) walked headlong into the exact same parking meter I had hit 30 years ago, almost to the day!
From Grandpa Charley, to me, to Brandon (Lefty-hitting catcher - maybe a Red Sox player of the future, eh?), Fenway is the greatest place to see a ball game, and the Red Sox are the ONLY team to root for!
P.S. I don't agree with management that can't get us a championship often, but Fenway should be replaced - the original left in pieces; Diamond vision screen?!! 600 Club abortion?!!! I DO agree with the fan who spoke up for inexpensive seats; my Grampa was not wealthy, but he went to every game he could make - these are the true fans - the ones whose moms will forge them a "sick" note for opening day. In '67, we painted a sign on a sheet and hung it from our chimney - my dad was furious, but Mom said she needed a new sheet, anyway. She also wrote us a note that we could skip classes to go to the auditorium, where the principal had a TV set up for us rabid Red Sox FANS! There is NO curse (Unless you count Duquette), so GO SOX!
wil.
Jake Foley's Fenway Experience
Fans: My earliest Fenway Park memory is from 1961 - I remember that feeling of entering a cathedral, and noticing how BIG the players looked when taking infield. My Grampa, Charley Weir, took my older brother and I to his usual haunt in the right-field stands, and when a skinny kid took his place in left field to a chorus of boos, I asked Gramp why people didn't like him? He replied that it was just people with little knowledge of baseball, and less patience; his take was - "Let's give the kid a chance - he'll turn out OK." Even Gramp didn't know that Yaz would one day be a Triple Crown and MVP winner, but the torch was passed.
My most memorable experience also involved Grampa Charley, and the Yankees. It was late 60's, and the Home Town Team was taking a licking, down 9-3 in the bottom of the ninth. As many of the fans have related, it behooves out-of-town fans to leave early to beat the rush. When I asked Grampa if we HAD to go (It's a long ways from central Vermont to Fenway), he just laughed, and said "It's not over till it's over" and turned to holler to the next batter "Come on, boys, let's GO!" After a few scratch hits, a hit batsman, a Yaz bomb into the bullpen, our Sox whupped the Yankees 10-9. (If you don't believe me, like the Perfessor says, you could look it up.)
Last, but perhaps most important, is the continuity of rooting for the Red Sox. In 1962, when I was 12, Grampa brought my brother and I to the Fens on the spur of the moment, and was unable to get his usual seats in right field, so we were schlepping down Lansdowne St. to get into the bleachers. It was almost gametime, and most of the crowd had cleared out. I remember all the food vendors closing up their carts, and gawking at the net atop the Green Monster.......... and I walked headlong into the first parking meter in line next to the Wall!!!! I was embarrassed, but Gramp just smiled, and said he was sure it happened to a lot of people their first time down Lansdowne Street.
Fast forward to 1992, when my Cincinnati Red wife (She's coming around) and I took our den of 12-year old Cub Scouts to get some bleacher seats to see the White Sox with Bo Jackson. We took them on the subway (Ten 12-year olds - keep them together in a crowd!), and watched them as they schlepped down Lansdowne Street, looking at the hat and food vendors closing up their carts, gawking at the net atop the Green Monster........... and my eldest son (age 12) walked headlong into the exact same parking meter I had hit 30 years ago, almost to the day!
From Grandpa Charley, to me, to Brandon (Lefty-hitting catcher - maybe a Red Sox player of the future, eh?), Fenway is the greatest place to see a ball game, and the Red Sox are the ONLY team to root for!
P.S. I don't agree with management that can't get us a championship often, but Fenway should be replaced - the original left in pieces; Diamond vision screen?!! 600 Club abortion?!!! I DO agree with the fan who spoke up for inexpensive seats; my Grampa was not wealthy, but he went to every game he could make - these are the true fans - the ones whose moms will forge them a "sick" note for opening day. In '67, we painted a sign on a sheet and hung it from our chimney - my dad was furious, but Mom said she needed a new sheet, anyway. She also wrote us a note that we could skip classes to go to the auditorium, where the principal had a TV set up for us rabid Red Sox FANS! There is NO curse (Unless you count Duquette), so GO SOX!
wil.
SS-Derek Jeter - superstar in prime, could have been MVP
CF-Bernie Williams - pretty much done .263 15 hr last year. . .awful defensively in the playoffs
3B-Alex Rodriguez - AL mvp
RF-Gary Sheffield - great year in the NL coming off contract year. same age as williams. playoffs? dont talk to me about the playoffs
DH-Jason Giambi - always hurt
LF-Hideki Matsui - .287 15 hr's. .neat-0
C-Jorge Posada - .281, 30 hr's. . .good! . . .for a catcher
1B- ?
2B-?
boone and soriano gone. . .terrible bench as evidenced when torre tried jumpsatrting the lineup last year
lose wells, clemens & pettit gain brown (always hurt) and vazquez (cy young contender)
rivera losing his stuff slowly, no BP to speak of
payroll of well over 200 mil now comprised almost entirely of free agents much like the bad yanks teams of the 70's and the modern day mets.
CF-Bernie Williams - pretty much done .263 15 hr last year. . .awful defensively in the playoffs
3B-Alex Rodriguez - AL mvp
RF-Gary Sheffield - great year in the NL coming off contract year. same age as williams. playoffs? dont talk to me about the playoffs
DH-Jason Giambi - always hurt
LF-Hideki Matsui - .287 15 hr's. .neat-0
C-Jorge Posada - .281, 30 hr's. . .good! . . .for a catcher
1B- ?
2B-?
boone and soriano gone. . .terrible bench as evidenced when torre tried jumpsatrting the lineup last year
lose wells, clemens & pettit gain brown (always hurt) and vazquez (cy young contender)
rivera losing his stuff slowly, no BP to speak of
payroll of well over 200 mil now comprised almost entirely of free agents much like the bad yanks teams of the 70's and the modern day mets.
As a Yankee fan this deal does NOT get me excited for a number of reasons:
1) Did the team just get $20 million better (they would have paid Soriano about $5 mil this year)? I don't think so.
2) Did their chances of winning the World Series go up? Probably not. Look at what happened last year.
3) General Steingrabber failed to address a REAL problem, the pitching staff. This year's staff has a ton of questions. Oh BTW, did I mention that we have no lefty threat.
For all those bitching like women about the Yankees buying pennants or championships, this has been done throughout baseball history. Frankly, the reason the Yanks get so much attention about it is because they are actually pretty good at executing on that strategy.
I really don't know what George is thinking other than, "I may not have pitching, but I can score enough runs to win." Attendance probably will not go up, he will not sell more jerseys, he will not get any more TV viewers than he already has, and the team will not be any more profitable than it was. The move seems a bit strange to me.
1) Did the team just get $20 million better (they would have paid Soriano about $5 mil this year)? I don't think so.
2) Did their chances of winning the World Series go up? Probably not. Look at what happened last year.
3) General Steingrabber failed to address a REAL problem, the pitching staff. This year's staff has a ton of questions. Oh BTW, did I mention that we have no lefty threat.
For all those bitching like women about the Yankees buying pennants or championships, this has been done throughout baseball history. Frankly, the reason the Yanks get so much attention about it is because they are actually pretty good at executing on that strategy.
I really don't know what George is thinking other than, "I may not have pitching, but I can score enough runs to win." Attendance probably will not go up, he will not sell more jerseys, he will not get any more TV viewers than he already has, and the team will not be any more profitable than it was. The move seems a bit strange to me.
I was out of mind today.I bet carolina at 75 and 80 to 1.Also had New England at 6and half to 1 when they were a lock for home field,had syracuse to win ncca tournament last year,played Florida late in year taking only 4 and half pennant and 8-1 world series absolutely awful numbers even before they became a wild card--But cascade sucked me in for 10000 risk by not moving the Yankees after probable trade 10-11 div 2-1 pennant 9-2 world series.Hope the Greek is right -200div,even pennant,5-2 world series.Please is there anyone sharp that got sucked into this with me?Please tell me this team isnt a trap--this feels like New England vs St.Louis I had nfc at pick--and year Duke was 3/5 I was fortune enough to have a friend tell me WWTS had a bracket prop up at 3-1.HELP ME I HATE THOSE DAMN YANKEES --they traded REGGIE JACKSON and now I know was out of my mind.
The Yankees add another 112 million dollars to the payroll to get the best player in baseball and the Sox,if they just added 13 mill. would have had him and gotten rid of Manny (another curse)...but no balls no blue chips.The thing is, they would have made up the money because Arod has such a corperate face.
Oh well at least we cursed them in football when the Tuna fxcked the Jets and Bill belichick immediatley resigned being HC of NYJ.
Oh well at least we cursed them in football when the Tuna fxcked the Jets and Bill belichick immediatley resigned being HC of NYJ.
gambler1, I certainly have nothing against you at all. but I wish people would stop comparing 'the babe' to 'a-rod'. that goes for you too ESPN.
we (the red sox) already have a guy who can whack 50 HR's a year. his name is manny rameriz. him and A-rod both make roughly 20 million a year and put up roughly the same batting numbers. same crap (figurtively speaking), different position.
and when we got Manny, everyone overlooks the fact that the yankees tried to get him but were'nt willing to pay him the money Boston does/did. (this was well documented on a 5 part ESPN special, 'the manny rameriz sweepstakes, the inner dealings of free agency')
and A-ROD is going to 3rd! now he is REALLY REALLY overpaid. a big reason he was getting that money is becuase he plays SS. please tell me what kind of sense it makes to pay a 3rd baseman 25 MILLION a year??!?!?!?!?!?
we (the red sox) already have a guy who can whack 50 HR's a year. his name is manny rameriz. him and A-rod both make roughly 20 million a year and put up roughly the same batting numbers. same crap (figurtively speaking), different position.
and when we got Manny, everyone overlooks the fact that the yankees tried to get him but were'nt willing to pay him the money Boston does/did. (this was well documented on a 5 part ESPN special, 'the manny rameriz sweepstakes, the inner dealings of free agency')
and A-ROD is going to 3rd! now he is REALLY REALLY overpaid. a big reason he was getting that money is becuase he plays SS. please tell me what kind of sense it makes to pay a 3rd baseman 25 MILLION a year??!?!?!?!?!?
RobFunk-
We all know the situation at short for the Yanks is a complicated one. It isn't as simple as SAYING "...what kind of sense it makes to pay a 3rd baseman 25 MILLION a year??!?!?!?!?!?" Having both Jeter and Arod is a nice "problem" to have. The team gets even better defensively if Jeter and George think about the team and we (the Yankess
) keep Arod at his natural position.
BTW, Manny is a GREAT player but is a locker room cancer. His numbers do not come without baggage. I would argue that Arod's do.
This is going to be a VERY LONG season if this deal is consumated. The Sox fans are going to bitch even more.
Rob, check out SOSH..there is a long line of Sox fans crying...it's actually humorous.
We all know the situation at short for the Yanks is a complicated one. It isn't as simple as SAYING "...what kind of sense it makes to pay a 3rd baseman 25 MILLION a year??!?!?!?!?!?" Having both Jeter and Arod is a nice "problem" to have. The team gets even better defensively if Jeter and George think about the team and we (the Yankess
BTW, Manny is a GREAT player but is a locker room cancer. His numbers do not come without baggage. I would argue that Arod's do.
This is going to be a VERY LONG season if this deal is consumated. The Sox fans are going to bitch even more.
Rob, check out SOSH..there is a long line of Sox fans crying...it's actually humorous.
