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Like a dirty embarrassing secret, the people who jumped or fell from the Towers have been all but erased from the history of 9/11.








Since the earliest days after the attacks, the American media have shown a collective reluctance to publish images of those who jumped or fell. And in official terms, the "jumpers" simply don't exist.








At the New York office of the chief medical examiner - in charge of recording and investigating all the deaths on 9/11 - they will not even use the words "jump" or "jumper". Nobody jumped, they
say, they only fell or were forced from the towers. "We're pretty firm on that position," said the medical examiner's spokeswoman, Ellen Borakove. "People were forced or pushed out by the heat and the flames."


To be a jumper, many people feel, implies the act of suicide, an act that some perceive as shameful.
 

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The 9/11 Memorial Museum, which opens at Ground Zero in a year's time, will include a small display devoted to those who died that way.




The committee that set up the museum spent months agonising over how the story of the jumpers should be told.


It was decided that visitors would need privacy to see the images - and should be given, the choice of whether to view them at all- so the display will be hidden in an alcove.
 

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The NIST( National Institute for Standards and Technology) report records 104 "jumper" deaths, though the report says its tally is not definitive,and that the number is probably higher. It contains a clinical analysis of the precise time that people jumped and fell. noting the floor and even the window they came out of.










The NIST report took 10,000 pages to connsider in very fine detail just how and why the buildings collapsed. The south tower was hit last but collapsed first, at 09:59. The north tower remained standing for just over 100 minutes before it fell at 10:28. Appendix M of that report, Observation of Falling Human Beings for WTCl, logged 101 falls from the north tower and the precise window and exact time at which each had fallen.


The appendix was compiled by one person reviewing video footage and still photographs. It is the only record in existence of those who jumped or fell, and is presented as a table - a graphic display of the building's upper floors and windows.


The first fall occurred just over four minutes after the first plane hit, from the 149th window of the 93rd floor on the north face of the building.





The cascade began seven minutes later, with 13 falls in two minutes. One person had climbed out and got from the 93rd to the 92nd floor before faIlling, one second after someone else had fallen from the same window - window 215 on the east face of the tower. At 10:06:59, two people had fallen togethher from the same window on the 95th floor; simulltaneously, a third person fell from the next window, followed a second later by two more people falling together. Altogether, in six seconds nine people fell from five adjacent windows.



The last person fell just as the building colllapsed, at 10:28:09, from the 106th floor. Richard Drew of AP must have photographed that person: he told me he discovered later that he had two frames that showed someone clinging to debris as they fell with the building.








Eyewitnesses have described people hugging or holding hands as they fell in pairs. An FDNY photographer with a long lens saw someone"nudged out" as he watched. He took half a dozen shots of people falling before saying to himself "That's enough of that." Time and again. The hardened firefighters and paramedics would say I had never seen anything like it. Many looked away but others were transfixed. The landings, of course were the worst. The fall was said to hanve taken about 10 seconds, but would vary according to body position and the time taken to accelerate to terminal velocity, typically 120 miles per hour. but up to 200 mph if the person fell with their body straight pointing to the ground, as in a head dive.
 

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New York firefighters.



Had spoken of the “jumpers" who had fallen about them as they had enteredthe North tower - the first tower to be hit on their rescue mission. The sound of those bodies landing, they said, like a thud or a dull exploosion, was terrible and unforgettable.





In the days after 9/11, the Fire Department of New York (FDNY) had conducted several hundred debriefing interviews with firefighters and emerrgency service workers. These were made public much later following a freedom of information request by The New York Times. In one or two cases the interviewees were so traumatised by what they had seen they could barely speak.





For many, it was the sight and soundofthe fallling bodies that had disturbed them more than anything else.





They described moving through a surreal landscape in a cloud of smoke and dust, the sky full of fluttering paper and the ground littered with smouldering debris and body parts. Above them it was - an often-repeated phrase - raining bodies. "They were jumping now, one, two, three, four, smashing like f***ing eggs on the ground," recalled an emergency service lieutenant, Rene Davila. Someone near him suggested they should collect names, keep a record. "I was like, you're f***ing out of your mind."






"I felt like I was intruding on a sacrament," said one firefighter, Maureen McArdle-Schulman. "They were choosing to die and I was watching them and shouldn't have been, so me and another guy turned away and looked at the wall, and we could still hear them hit."
 

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Did they choose to die that way? Was it a real choice? What would anyone of us have done?


The choice, to jump or not to jump, must have been so agonisingly real that the chief medical examiner Dr Charles Hirsch's denial that the "jumpers" existed seemed insulting.


In his version of events, nobody "jumped"; they were all victims of homicide, and the vast majority of death certificates carry the same wording: "Blunt tauma ... " Only 176 complete bodies were returned to their families.


Borakove said Hirsch was acting out of sensitiivity for the bereaved families, and out of respect for those who died - "the families are our first priiority" - but I know there are some people who take comfort from the idea that their lost partner or relative chose to jump and so actively took charge of the manner of their dying. I suspect, too, that for some the decision itself was an act of immense courage - albeit born of desperation - and deserves to be remembered as such.




From the NIST study that, in about four cases, people got out of the windows, 100 or more floors up, and began trying to climb up or down the outtside of the building to imagined safety. Of course, they soon lost their grip and fell.
 

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According to Rolltide the american media had no problem showing us people jumping from the buildings. Of course normal people who tell the truth understand that was not the case. I'm not sure if any regular respected news program ever showed video of somebody leaping out the windows of those buildings.

The part you describe about the firefighters was documented in an hbo special. You could actually hear loud thuds. The firefighters were asking what that was...they feared parts of the building were coming down. They were informed by others it was people leaping to their death. Can't imagine what they had to go thru to make a decision like that. Very sad stuff.
 

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I've seen both video and pictures of the jumpers early on

however, as time passed, they have collectively decided to not show us disturbing video and pictures.

and it's not just about the jumpers, we're being protected from a whole lot of stuff
 

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I've seen both video and pictures of the jumpers early on

however, as time passed, they have collectively decided to not show us disturbing video and pictures.

and it's not just about the jumpers, we're being protected from a whole lot of stuff

I remember the still photos. I never saw any video from abc,nbc,fox, cnn, msnbs,cbs...I watched a lot of news those days and I can't believe they would actually show those type of video images.
 

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I can't tell you where I saw them, I only know that I did. I especially remember the couple holding hands
 

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I lost a friend in one of the towers. She was a vibrant and beautiful young flower. RIP Susan Blake.

That was a very moving documentary Zit.
 

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I watched about 10 minutes of it, intend to watch the rest later
 

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!!!WARNING!!!! THIS VID IS NOT FOR CHILDREN!!!


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According to Rolltide the american media had no problem showing us people jumping from the buildings. Of course normal people who tell the truth understand that was not the case. I'm not sure if any regular respected news program ever showed video of somebody leaping out the windows of those buildings.

me and a thousand of my coworkers who were gasping at the sight of people taking their own lives while watching network news on 9/11 will tell you to kindly go fuck yourself
 

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According to Rolltide the american media had no problem showing us people jumping from the buildings. Of course normal people who tell the truth understand that was not the case. I'm not sure if any regular respected news program ever showed video of somebody leaping out the windows of those buildings.

hard to believe you honestly thing no american news network, using nearly all the same feeds, weren't showing this! it is, without a doubt, the most indelible image of 9/11 for at least 70% of folks above the age of 16. just because you chose to lie to cement your super liberal stance that bin laden pics shouldn't be shown doesn't make you right, it makes you something less than dirt

watching it at the time I didn't understand why they were doing it simply because the news never explained that the towers might fall. in hindsight, i'd have made the same choice
 

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hard to believe you honestly thing no american news network, using nearly all the same feeds, weren't showing this! it is, without a doubt, the most indelible image of 9/11 for at least 70% of folks above the age of 16. just because you chose to lie to cement your super liberal stance that bin laden pics shouldn't be shown doesn't make you right, it makes you something less than dirt

watching it at the time I didn't understand why they were doing it simply because the news never explained that the towers might fall. in hindsight, i'd have made the same choice

Wrong. The image is the 2nd plane going into the building...the images of people jumping out of buildings are just are very rarely if ever shown. Even willie says he can't remember where he saw it. Your goons can't even defend you on this one. It is quite simply untrue...but since you are now a proven liar nobody is taking what you say as gospel anyway. So carry on with your nonsense.

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For the record, I saw people jumping many times on TV.

I know one of the shows was a Frontline special on PBS...
 

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On 9/11 NBC was showing live footage of the towers and several people jumping. It was on for under a minute. Somebody obviously had them cut away from that abruptly and show something else.

I'll never forget it. I couldnt believe it was happening & that they were showing it live.
 

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The story of a 'Jumper'


Karen Juday RIP


Richard Percorella had searched high and low for a trace of his beloved, Karen Juday, but it was not until Christmas Eve, 2001, that her jawbone was found. He had the remains cremated, and scatttered them off the Verrazano- Narrows Bridge, which connects Staten Island to Brooklyn - the first place in the city Karen had seen when they started their lives together. Karen was a farm girl from Indiana, said Richard. And she had courage. Richhard believed she had jumped.


After the jawbone came another fragment, then another, and so


Richard signed a waiver allowing the medical examiner's office to dispose of any further remains. He couldn't go on forever handling the pieces of her.


When they met in 1997, Karen and Richard had both been married before. Richard said he knew she was "the one". He worked at the trading house Bear Steams, whose office on the Brooklyn side of the East River had a clear view of the Twin Towers. He helped Karen to get a job as an administrator at Cantor Fitzgerald. Sometimes she would call him to describe an amazing spectacle outside her winndow. "You can't believe this, but a jet plane just flew by my window. It was so beautiful."


On the morning of 9/11 Richard had a bird's-eye view of the whole thing. He saw the second plane hit the south tower and tried to call Karen, but there was no answer. Soon, his building was on a lock down. Frustrated, desperate and enraged, Richard picked up a chair and threw it at the window. The nurse was called. She wanted to take his blood presssure. "1 says, 'Are you f***in' kiddin' me?' 1 said, 'My fiancee probably just got killed and you wanna take my blood pressure? Of course it'll be up!''' That was the Brooklyn in him coming out, he told me.


Richard used to look at the postings and the photographs on the internet and sometimes wondered if she had jumped. She was very vain and particular about her face, he knew; she used plenty of wrinkle cream, and he always figured if conditions were that bad she would jump rather than face the fires.


He eventually made contact with Richard Drew, the Associated Press (AP) photographer who recorded many images of those who jumped or fell on 9/11- so many he has never counted them, he told me - including one much-published image of a man frozen in a head-first dive that came to be known as the Falling Man.


Pecorella went to Drew's office and was shown a collection of photographs. ''Are you sure you want to do this? It's very graphic," Drew asked him, but he was sure - and there she was, in the first photograph he saw. She was wearing the familiar bandana she always put on at work and stood in the window frame, holding on, with the flames behind her. There were a lot of other people in the photograph, but Richard was sure he recognised her cream trousers and blue cotton top.


There was a second photograph of a woman falling, hands over her face, legs raised as she came down, no bandana now, but the hair and body shape all too familiar. Drew was almost apologetic to Richhard - his instincts had just taken over, he said, he had just recorded what was happening. Richard reassured him that, in fact, it gave him some closure to know that, at the end, Karen had made a choice. She had jumped; she did not, as he said, burn up and become toast. "She chose how she should die. It's not a religious thing with me. A lot of people have problems because they consider it as suicide, which means you go to hell, but I don't consider it like that, I think it's more complicated.


Richard had never met anyone else who believed they knew a victim who had jumped. "Nobody talks about the jumpers," he said. It made him feel like he was the only one who knew and had something to hold on to. In fact, as Richard later realised, there were others who were looking to claim ownership of the same images. When his own health deteriorated after 2001- he developed a condition similar to emphysema that has restricted his mobility
 

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