4 CHILDREN and 2 adults shot dead near Houston.

MikeB · Jul 10, 2014

Enfuego said:
LOL, you still haven't produced them. The imaginary stats don't exist.

Then why did you say we need enforcement? I though that wasn't the answer?

Stricter laws you said. Not enforcement. Did your opinion change? Did you think people wouldn't remember what your position was from one thread to another?

MikeB · Jul 10, 2014

Enfuego said:
I've been consistent all along so don't move the goal posts. Way tougher meaning sentencing for the discovery of illegal firearms is immediate 25 years with no chance of parole. Very strict meaning guy is found with gun, in court very soon after and 25 years given. Way tougher and very strict. No fucking around.

Umm, not moving the goal posts. Nice try with that catch phrase though. I don't want to name call but let me just say that it appears as though you are being a hypocrite.

I see that you are trying to walk the tightrope now

Enfuego · Jul 10, 2014

MikeB said:
Then why did you say we need enforcement? I though that wasn't the answer?

Stricter laws you said. Not enforcement. Did your opinion change? Did you think people wouldn't remember what your position was from one thread to another?

Still waiting on your stats that laws don't get enforced in Chicago. Should be pretty easy to produce.

Enfuego · Jul 10, 2014

MikeB said:
Umm, not moving the goal posts. Nice try with that catch phrase though. I don't want to name call but let me just say that it appears as though you are being a hypocrite.

I see that you are trying to walk the tightrope now

I've said all along, stricter enforcement of the law when it comes to sentencing and immediate. Haven't changed that opinion one time.

MikeB · Jul 10, 2014

Enfuego said:
Still waiting on your stats that laws don't get enforced in Chicago. Should be pretty easy to produce.

Why did you say enforcement? Where are your stats to back up my (and your argument)?

Do we need better enforcement? Yes or no?

MikeB · Jul 10, 2014

Enfuego said:
I've said all along, stricter enforcement of the law when it comes to sentencing and immediate. Haven't changed that opinion one time.

OK.

Sorry. You can try to walk the tightrope all you want, but your credibility is dropping.

Enfuego · Jul 10, 2014

MikeB said:
Why did you say enforcement? Where are your stats to back up my (and your argument)?

Do we need better enforcement? Yes or no?

Enforcement can be used in different conotations. Your enforcement means the laws on the books. My enforcement is the sentence in court following the arrest. LOL, you made the assertion laws aren't being enforced not me. I asked you to prove that assertion and you've failed.

MikeB · Jul 10, 2014

"It isn't enforcement...no wait, it is enforcement. No, wait again, it isn't enforcement unless MikeB can produce some sort of stats."

Oh wait, it's a different thread, maybe people won't remember what I said from one thread to another....."oh, it is lack of enforcement"

"That is almost my final position on this"

Enfuego · Jul 10, 2014

MikeB said:
OK.

Sorry. You can try to walk the tightrope all you want, but your credibility is dropping.

Now you resort to the personal attack? Typical when you can't provide substance to back your claim. Please provide proof gun laws in Chicago are not being enforced. Asked it 6 times now. Please provide or just stop the nonsense.

MikeB · Jul 10, 2014

Enfuego said:
Enforcement can be used in different conotations. Your enforcement means the laws on the books. My enforcement is the sentence in court following the arrest. LOL, you made the assertion laws aren't being enforced not me. I asked you to prove that assertion and you've failed.

Lol, you change your mind more than John Kerry.

How's the Swift Boat?

Enfuego · Jul 10, 2014

MikeB said:
"It isn't enforcement...no wait, it is enforcement. No, wait again, it isn't enforcement unless MikeB can produce some sort of stats."

Oh wait, it's a different thread, maybe people won't remember what I said from one thread to another....."oh, it is lack of enforcement"

"That is almost my final position on this"

Been consistent from the moment you started talking about this and never changed my opinion. Not once.

Enfuego · Jul 10, 2014

No enforcement right? http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/04/04/man-arrested-for-impersonating-federal-marshal/

Enfuego · Jul 10, 2014

No enforcement right? http://www.suntimes.com/26503501-76...-holder-arrested-in-chicago.html#.U789CrEuMk8

Enfuego · Jul 10, 2014

No enforcement right? http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...0412_1_high-rise-apartment-parking-garage-gun

MikeB · Jul 10, 2014

In all sincerity and honesty, I like to read your posts and think that you are pretty accurate with most things but this flip flop, then trying to mince words and "meanings" with your changing positions is diminishing my opinion.

Not that you care or should care but you happen to be wrong and no matter what, you will not admit it.

Enfuego · Jul 10, 2014

Wait, I thought Chicago police were not enforcing the city gun laws? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/29/gun-arrest-rap-video_n_3838499.html

MikeB · Jul 10, 2014

Enfuego said:
My answer certainly isn't more gun laws but way tougher and very strict enforcement.

Ummm, what?

Did you not say we need more gun laws?

Yes or No.

I happen to remember seeing one or two posts where you mention this

Enfuego · Jul 10, 2014

MikeB said:
In all sincerity and honesty, I like to read your posts and think that you are pretty accurate with most things but this flip flop, then trying to mince words and "meanings" with your changing positions is diminishing my opinion.

Not that you care or should care but you happen to be wrong and no matter what, you will not admit it.

I've provided four links now in the span of 5 minutes showing police in Chicago are arresting people for breaking city gun laws. Are you ready to admit your statement that police are not enforcing the laws was off a bit?

nuckers · Jul 10, 2014

Acebb said:
The number of firearms in circulation has gone up exponentially in the last 20 years (and the issuance of concealed carry permits has gone up 500%) and yet the violent crime rate has declined. Rather sharply.

Those are facts. So if your response to a shooting, one mind you, where you have no clue what the motive and the weapon used, is to call for more gun laws, you're frankly, dumb. There is no other way to say it.

w-thumbs!^

so following that shit logic, if we put more guns out there in peoples hands this problem will get better. Frankly you're a simpleton if you think that stat line tells the entire story of the gun issue in america. I'm not anti gun but silly is silly.