2008 The Year Man-Made Global Warming Was Disproved

[Loren78]

This is the conclusion I have came to punter with all the information out there. I have researched both sides and global warming doesnt add up. I think the global warming was completely a political agenda.

Bada Bing...

The Report from Iron Mountain

The Report From Iron Mountain is a book, published in 1967 (during the Johnson Administration) by Dial Press, that states that it is the report of a government panel. The book includes the claim that it was authored by a Special Study Group of fifteen men whose identities were to remain secret, and that it was not intended to be made public

According to the report, a 15-member panel, called the Special Study Group, was set up in 1963 to examine what problems would occur if the U.S. entered a state of lasting peace.

The heavily footnoted report concluded that peace was not in the interest of a stable society, that even if lasting peace "could be achieved, it would almost certainly not be in the best interests of society to achieve it." War was a part of the economy. Therefore, it was necessary to conceive a state of war for a stable economy.

The government, the group theorized, would not exist without war, and nation states existed in order to wage war. They also recommended "blood games" and that the government create alternative foes that would scare the people with reports of alien lifeforms and out of control pollution. Another facet of the supposed report was the reinstitution of slavery

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Report_From_Iron_Mountain

You see...We are still a Feudal System...The Slave and the Master. The Slave thinks of nothing else but his or her freedom. The Master thinks of nothing else but new ways to ensure his slaves remain slaves...Control is Key...

Remember that Government is nothing but a bureaucratic arm of Powerful Families who have managed to hold on to Power (not wealth) the longest...

Their aim is control of the lesser types (YOU)...The Elite ie Government can accomplish far more in 5 years of WAR than they ever could in 50 years of Peace...

Fear is of course the greatest motivator....because it induces Change...and people will do anything to not be afraid...The public will accept whatever is given to them in the name of their "Well-Being", no matter how ludicrous, & inhumane it is...

 

[Stocks]

I'm a 5th generation Texan and I believe.

Well I'm guessing your one of the few

 

[punter]

It's just that all Texans have assholes and opinions and some of them stink.

 

[Loren78]

Bada Bing...




You see...We are still a Feudal System...The Slave and the Master. The Slave thinks of nothing else but his or her freedom. The Master thinks of nothing else but new ways to ensure his slaves remain slaves...Control is Key...

Remember that Government is nothing but a bureaucratic arm of Powerful Families who have managed to hold on to Power (not wealth) the longest...

Their aim is control of the lesser types (YOU)...The Elite ie Government can accomplish far more in 5 years of WAR than they ever could in 50 years of Peace...

Fear is of course the greatest motivator....because it induces Change...and people will do anything to not be afraid...The public will accept whatever is given to them in the name of their "Well-Being", no matter how ludicrous, & inhumane it is...

Hollywood = Psychological Operation = TO BRAINWASH THE PUBLIC

 

[Stocks]

By the way I dont mean to offend Texan's I'm just pointing out a fact that the political views and views on other stuff like global warming seem to be different in most southern states compared to the views of the rest of the world.

Just wonder why that is actually I do know why just wondering if the other people here know why.

 

[Loren78]

I find it interesting that the people in this thread that dont believe in global warming are from Texas and MJ who I dont even listen to anymore because he's like a broken record.

I generally find that people in this thread that do believe in Global Warming look and act like Spooks....

:wink:

 

[Stocks]

i generally find that people in this thread that do believe in global warming look and act like spooks....

:wink:

lol

 

[punter]

Well Loren is from Canada and he believes that people are controlling every aspect of our lives. On the other hand, I have never seen a secret that could be kept by more than one person.

 

[AdamSelene]

1) Prove there is a current warming trend.

2) Prove current warming trend is anthropogenic (man-made).

Doubtful, the big upward trend line started 16,000 years ago (and since the first peak 10,000 years ago is actually trending down). The small upward trend line started 200 years ago (end of the Little Ice Age), and we are just approaching conditions equal to the Medieval Warm Period (800-1300 AD).

3) Prove that warm is a bad thing. Doubtful again.


If it is possible for man to warm the planet (doubtful), that is a very fucking good thing, given the last 10,000 years (the whole of human civilization) has been a warm anomaly.

I do know one thing that isn't difficult to prove at all. Cold is *bad*.

Global temperatures over the past quarter of a million years (the horizontal scale is in thousands of years, the vertical in degrees Celsius).

 

[Preussen]

Now if we could just get some intellectual honesty and hear you admit that global warming hysteria was based on nothing more than a short term warming trend...at best...manipulation of data at worst...and we really have no idea what caused it because it's beyond arrogant to suggest we understand climate, or even the role of the sun yet.

But you won't do that. %^_

MJ, until you, for a change, exhibit some intellectual honesty and admit that you are in no way qualified to off-handedly dismiss the opinion of the majority of scientists you will never get any kind of credibility.

As I have stated repeatedly, I'm not sure to what extent global warming is real and man-made and whether the drastic measures we are supposed to take are in any way justified. Scientists have been wrong before. But people who act like they know that everything pointing to a global warming is misinterpreted or manipulated are simply stupid. MJ, care to tell us where you got the "facts" you mention in posts 7 and 13?

 

[Mistermj]

MJ, until you, for a change, exhibit some intellectual honesty and admit that you are in no way qualified to off-handedly dismiss the opinion of the majority of scientists you will never get any kind of credibility.

As I have stated repeatedly, I'm not sure to what extent global warming is real and man-made and whether the drastic measures we are supposed to take are in any way justified. Scientists have been wrong before. But people who act like they know that everything pointing to a global warming is misinterpreted or manipulated are simply stupid. MJ, care to tell us where you got the "facts" you mention in posts 7 and 13?

Preussen speaks of opinions of a "majority" of scientists. What majority?

Who took this poll and where are the results of all scientists that voted for this majority? Lets see those results that you people always throw around as if it's a damn fact.

Back up your own damn statements before asking for mine...and if you read my post on the ice pack you will see I cited an article and author in the Washingtion Times.

As a side note...majority and consensus are NOT scientific terms. They are political terms...a rather interesting observation of your doublespeak.

:toast:

 

[Loren78]

MJ, until you, for a change, exhibit some intellectual honesty and admit that you are in no way qualified to off-handedly dismiss the opinion of the majority of scientists you will never get any kind of credibility.

As I have stated repeatedly, I'm not sure to what extent global warming is real and man-made and whether the drastic measures we are supposed to take are in any way justified. Scientists have been wrong before. But people who act like they know that everything pointing to a global warming is misinterpreted or manipulated are simply stupid. MJ, care to tell us where you got the "facts" you mention in posts 7 and 13?

The Majority of Scientists? What Nonsense.....

Have you taken a Census of the Scientists who not only disagreed with the United Nations on Global Warming but have admitted publicly, they were threatened and blackballed when they came out with scientific proof Global warming was not man made...

Did you not read the Iron Mountain Report? Whassa A Matta wit you?

Global Warming is an NGO Mandate.....The money that went into the research behind this issue did not come from the Government.....you need to consider what the ramifications are behind that little piece of FYI

 

[Stocks]

Preussen speaks of opinions of a "majority" of scientists. What majority?

Who took this poll and where are the results of all scientists that voted for this majority? Lets see those results that you people always throw around as if it's a damn fact.

Back up your own damn statements before asking for mine...and if you read my post on the ice pack you will see I cited an article and author in the Washingtion Times.

As a side note...majority and consensus are NOT scientific terms. They are political terms...a rather interesting observation of your doublespeak.

:toast:

MJ there was a poll done a few years ago polling the word's 30,000 scientists and around 90% I cant remember the exact number but I know it was close to that believed that global warming was man made up from 60% in the mid or early 90's

 

[Loren78]

MJ there was a poll done a few years ago polling the word's 30,000 scientists and around 90% I cant remember the exact number but I know it was close to that believed that global warming was man made up from 60% in the mid or early 90's

Who gave the polling? Was it the same group that held the forum on whether or not the earth was flat before Galileo knocked some sense into them?

 

[pubguy]

By the way I dont mean to offend Texan's I'm just pointing out a fact that the political views and views on other stuff like global warming seem to be different in most southern states compared to the views of the rest of the world.

Just wonder why that is actually I do know why just wondering if the other people here know why.

Texans different than most of the world? Are you kidding me? There are only 16 million or so Texans. I'm sure we have every belief known to man covered here in the Lonestar state. I can't wait to here why you think we all think differently than the rest of the world.

 

[Mistermj]

MJ there was a poll done a few years ago polling the word's 30,000 scientists and around 90% I cant remember the exact number but I know it was close to that believed that global warming was man made up from 60% in the mid or early 90's

Baloney! hno:

 

[pubguy]

When I got out of the Army in 66 I took a trip to LA to see buddies. While laying on the beach you could watch the 707's off of LAX disappear into the smog. By active pollution control measures California has rid themselves of that menace. So I know that our actions can have results on the environment.

I learned to fly in 1960 and flew until the late 60's and then took it back up in the early 80's. The difference in overall visibility was startling.

I first heard of the "greenhouse effect" as applied to the environment in about 1970.

I will have to beleive what I have seen and what I heard that has come true rather than a bunch of people who a couple of years ago were saying that there was no warming trend.

I agree Punter except the part about Cali being rid of smog. Reduced yes. Gone, no. We humans have managed to mess up many things. Many river cleanup efforts are sailing right along nicely, but we screwed them up to begin with. Preservation and conservation efforts have increased in the last twenty or so years and have helped right many wrongs. I remember as a kid we would catch fish until our arms were tired instead of setting a reasonable limit. Some things have improved over time.

 

[Stocks]

Texans different than most of the world? Are you kidding me? There are only 16 million or so Texans. I'm sure we have every belief known to man covered here in the Lonestar state. I can't wait o here why you think we all think differently than the rest of the world.

Southern states not just Texas

Although remeber that 25% of Texans believe that Obama is still a muslin

Anyway maybe that other statement didnt really come out right

Here is what I ment by it as with global warming. The southern states are heavily republican correct and it also seems a lot of if not most republicans do not believe in global warming compared to the rest of the world.

Next question would be why do most republicans not believe in global warming because it was made a political issue many years ago I think it started with Ragen or Bush 1 I cant remeber anyway a lot of people tend to believe they're party stance's on things and this is why. So really it could be more republicans not souther states.

 

[pubguy]

I don't think Preussen is too off base here. The pendulum swing of thinking that it's not man made is fairly recent. Here is the wiki version.


Global warming is the increase in the average temperature of the Earth's near-surface air and oceans since the mid-20th century and its projected continuation.
Global surface temperature increased 0.74 ± 0.18 °C (1.33 ± 0.32 °F) during the 100 years ending in 2005.<sup id="cite_ref-grida7a_0-0" class="reference">[1]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-Global_1-0" class="reference">[2]</sup> The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concludes that most of the temperature increase since the mid-twentieth century is "very likely" due to the increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.<sup id="cite_ref-grida7_2-0" class="reference">[3]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-Global_1-1" class="reference">[2]</sup> Natural phenomena such as solar variation and volcanoes probably had a small warming effect from pre-industrial times to 1950 and a small cooling effect from 1950 onward.<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference">[4]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference">[5]</sup> These basic conclusions have been endorsed by at least 30 scientific societies and academies of science,<sup id="cite_ref-5" class="reference">[6]</sup> including all of the national academies of science of the major industrialized countries.<sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference">[7]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-7" class="reference">[8]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-8" class="reference">[9]</sup> While individual scientists have voiced disagreement with these findings,<sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference">[10]</sup> the overwhelming majority of scientists working on climate change agree with the IPCC's main conclusions.<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference">[11]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-11" class="reference">[12]</sup>

 

[Mistermj]

I don't think Preussen is too off base here. The pendulum swing of thinking that it's not man made is fairly recent. Here is the wiki version.


Global warming is the increase in the average temperature of the Earth's near-surface air and oceans since the mid-20th century and its projected continuation.
Global surface temperature increased 0.74 ± 0.18 °C (1.33 ± 0.32 °F) during the 100 years ending in 2005.<sup id="cite_ref-grida7a_0-0" class="reference">[1]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-Global_1-0" class="reference">[2]</sup> The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concludes that most of the temperature increase since the mid-twentieth century is "very likely" due to the increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.<sup id="cite_ref-grida7_2-0" class="reference">[3]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-Global_1-1" class="reference">[2]</sup> Natural phenomena such as solar variation and volcanoes probably had a small warming effect from pre-industrial times to 1950 and a small cooling effect from 1950 onward.<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference">[4]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference">[5]</sup> These basic conclusions have been endorsed by at least 30 scientific societies and academies of science,<sup id="cite_ref-5" class="reference">[6]</sup> including all of the national academies of science of the major industrialized countries.<sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference">[7]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-7" class="reference">[8]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-8" class="reference">[9]</sup> While individual scientists have voiced disagreement with these findings,<sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference">[10]</sup> the overwhelming majority of scientists working on climate change agree with the IPCC's main conclusions.<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference">[11]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-11" class="reference">[12]</sup>

Again...I call Bullshit.

The UN global warming conference currently underway in Poland is about to face a serious challenge from over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe who are criticizing the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore. Set for release this week, a newly updated U.S. Senate Minority Report features the dissenting voices of over 650 international scientists, many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN. The report has added about 250 scientists (and growing) in 2008 to the over 400 scientists who spoke out in 2007.

The over 650 dissenting scientists are more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index....ecord_id=2158072e-802a-23ad-45f0-274616db87e6