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[jumbo25]

hey guys...let's face it....that's poker babee... and that's why we love to hate it, yet can't stop playing.

-my two cents...poker sites make a ridiculous amount of money off rakes, i don't think they would see the need to rig...actually if they were smart, they would have everyone pretty much even, so they can keep playing and collecting rakes...but that's my two cents...




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[theMadMan]

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thats hold-em baby

 

[theMadMan]

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and we luv it

 

[theMadMan]

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learn the game and dont complain

 

[theMadMan]

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play live if you do not trust your computer

 

[theMadMan]

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just remeber ITS GAMBLING!!!!!!

 

[BaseballGuy]

Duplicate post.

 

[BaseballGuy]

all you hear is about how all these professional guys got their starts on internet sites, but there no way of knowing if these guys that were picked werent really associated with the sites.

Most professionals dont play online. They realize that live poker is the only real deal around.

If you do happen to see pros playing online they are most likely just doing it to promote the site.

Online poker is a joke for the most part.


Party poker and all I-Global media sites are rigged to the T. I am friendly with a manager there and he told me that in the early days they used to have bots there programmed to take a certain amount from every pot.. He said that one day they checked on the bot and it had over a million US in it's bank.

Do not be naive and think they make way too much money to rig the deal.

Don't play if you think it is rigged, PERIOD

 

[BaseballGuy]

The rake earned by the site varies between 3 and 5 big bets per 100 hands at the lower limits. A really good player may average from 1.5 to 3 BB/100 over the long haul. The only person that the site has at the table is the dealer. Don't confuse sportsbooks with poker site operations; they don't run on the same model.

If you think the fix is in, don't play. You're wrong, but nobody will be able to change your mind. If you were a winning player would you feel the same way?

People like you make me want to puke. uke1:

You have no way of proving he is wrong. Just like I have no way of proving it's rigged.

Do us all a favor and have a nice cup of STFU.

 

[BaseballGuy]

Also, we have seen sites rig things like online roulette and online blackjack, so why wouldn't they try to rig poker?

Because they are making a killing on the rake we all pay at the poker tables, and to cheat the players would kill the golden goose. By the way casino games all have a house edge, so in a sense they are all rigged.

Only a retard would use that type of logic.

Take Martha Stuart, and Enron for example.

Both had plenty of Cash. Stuart was close to a billionaire. Yet she risked all of that for a measly 50 grand.

Again do us all a favor and take your shill a$$ to the circus forums. You are obviously a shill for online poker sites. Why else would you even CARE?

 

[THawk+]

Kruser I was not on the online card sites are fixed wagon but after tonight I am more skeptical than before.....

Playing at $50 NL ring game I sat and got no cards...I was playing at a very loose table so I was tight....I played a total of eight hands and lost all of them in a bad way...I have never seen this crap happen live when I play at least not in consecutive order...

I lost pocket KK 3 times, pocket QQ 2 times, pocket AK 1 time and pocket 88 2 times What galls me the most is this bozo who would stay in with anything and call knockout bets hit me three times...Once with a J5 hit a set, once with a pair
pocket 22 and once with pocket 77....Each time he refused to fold against a large pre-flop bet to knockout the pretenders, twice called past the flop when he was being beat badly and each time pulling it out of his ass...

Beat KK by calling to river with pocket 77 and pulled one out to beat me, he called a total of $40 in bets....Beat pocket QQ with a 2 on the turn for a set against knockout bets pre and post flop....Beat pocket KK by flopping a set of J after calling a large pre-flop bet with J5...

It was as if he knew his card was coming..I would not be surprised if he worked for the site and was sure he would win so he called even though he was being beat badly all three times.....

 

[QuickLearner]

Again do us all a favor and take your shill a$$ to the circus forums. You are obviously a shill for online poker sites. Why else would you even CARE?

I'm not shilling for any site. And I don't care what you think. I do care when someone such as you poisons a conversation with personal attacks.

Right, you have a friend who was a "manager" there and he told you blah blah blah. I'll let you in on a little secret: Nobody who can really play needs to fear a bot. They can be beaten just as easily as any other super-conservative player.

If you had said that live games are easier to beat I would have agreed with you. But when you say, "Most professionals dont play online. They realize that live poker is the only real deal around," you betray your lack of understanding. You have it exactly wrong. Most tourists and recreational gamblers play live. There are more online professionals than there are live.

Sorry about the puke. At least you found a smiley. That probably made you feel better. Please come back when you'd like to talk about poker. I'd just love to hear your ideas about a game that at least one of us knows something about.

You should change your name to PokerGuy. Or are you as annoying a troll in the baseball forum?

 

[bblight]

Hell, the sites I go to get 5% for their rake - they'd be foolish to endanger such a gold mine by trying to rig the program.

I'm not saying that it wouldn't happen - there are a lot of stupid and greedy morons out there who'd slit their own throats for the thrill of it.

I just don't see game fixing being wide spread. If you don't like a site, then try another and another until you're happy.

Of course, I'm still new to the game and donm't know a hell of a lot.

 

[pokerpills]

It is a known fact in the scientific community that there is no way a software program can generate a true random deal. They use algorithms to determine the next card and that is in essence not a true random deal.

Corporations can never have enough money. Yes they are greedy, just take a look at Enron and Tyco for example. True they have a lucrative rake but what is stopping them for more?For them the beauty of it is that there is no damn way for me or you to find out. NO DAMN WAY. So why not? With no one regulating your site, everything goes. Hell even with the tight SEC regulating corporations , companies like Enron still took a chance and you're talking about with no one regulating you? Come on now....

I disagree with the previous poster who said more professionals play online. I have heard of very few people making a living online. It is just too difficult to get reads by just simple notes. The bulk of all professionals play live. I play 3 to 4 times a week at various private cardrooms in my area. When you go into these cardrooms, 24/7, you will run into professional grinders that are making a good living playing live.

I also play online. I have an account at Pokerstars, Party, Pacific, Paradise, Royalvegas, and UltimateBet. My true gut feeling is that yes they are periodically rigged but for different reasons. I believe these places try to balance out all the winnings so that everyone will continue to play. The longer you play, the more money they make so why not? That is probably why when you withdraw the money, you will get a bad run of cards. Will this stop me from playing online? No, because I still enjoy playing the big tournaments. But to think that these sites are not rigged is foolish.

The only way to play true random poker is to play live.

 

[Matt24]

There are tons of online pros right now. It isnt difficult to have reads on players at all.

 

[steeser]

Yet you all keep on playing!!!

I have been winning since the beginning, and making a pretty penny on it. I guess I am one of the chosen ones by Party. Lucky me.

 

[sublime]

I play for a living and somehow manage to make money despite making withdrawels on a biweekely basis at party and all thier skins.

these sites have little or no reason to 'steal' your money by cheating.

 

[heart222]

Istarted at Party Poker 2 years ago got my original investment out. and am still there enjoyingthe game playing with hoiuse money. is it fixed i dont thinkso. I went to Atl City last weekend to play in a $200.00 nl tourny. In 2 hours I never had one of the top 25 hands under. Was the dealer trying to get me I dont think so same with party poker. They are making $150m a year the best thing they have going is most of us assume they are ligit. it has grown from 4000 players on line to 65000 at peak times. just one opinion.

 

[Anonymous1]

all interesting reads...i remain on the fence as sites being rigged...but i think the point that most miss is regarding "bad beats"...i would be willing to bet you that nearly 30% of the players at any given site would not even show up at a poker house or casino because they are either intimidated...not in close proximity or unwilling to go into these establishments...so they play on line...these folks also likley have more money than god and simple play for fun and the experience...and because of this they play a loose if not stupid game because $200-$500 means little to nothing...however...in doing so...they create these bad beats as the good players cannot understand why they were in the game to begin with...missing pre flop raises...wrong raises to the button...j4 pocket cards...and so on...and this kills you because it is not how the game is supposed to go or so you think...call it stupid luck...the reality is they are there and will continue to be there as long as poker flourishes on line...the player who shows up at a live game is a totally different gambler and poker player...you cannot confuse the two games...you can only take sound principals with you and understand your opponet...

 

[THawk+]

It may not be fixed purposely but I definately think the random card generator picks who wins and loses prior to the hand is played.....

This is to keep the money distributed more evenly and everybody in the game...

Everytime I have a good day or two playing I get every draw out against, everybad beat...Whatever card they need to beat me they get no matter what the odds....AK is useless your better off having Q5 offsuit or better yet 24 offsuit for an all in pre flop....

I fvcking hate the set up I can sit there and guess/tell what cards will come out Hand odds are useless as the cards don't hit the way they should...

I am a good player, play tight...If I get beat by one more person calling against pocket QQ/KK after I raise pre-flop with a A4 offsuit I will kill someone..

OR better yet everybody checks no one bets, they could have KK and never bet...If I played like that live I would get killed in short time but online it is rewarded to not play they hardly ever get beat by letting people play against them......I am up substantially but I am getting sick of this garbage of online cards...

It is crap and it may be fixed I don't know it does not make sense to fix when they make a killing on the rake but you never know...