Big 10 fans had better get a clue. Their conference IS shitty. When was the last time they won a BCS game? When was the last time they won a Rose Bowl? When was the last time that the Big 10 actually won more bowl games than they lost in one season? That same Penn State team that got their tails smeared all over the Rose Bowl has scheduled Akron, Syracuse, Temple and Eastern Illinois as their non-con games. All at home. And you Big 10 homers are going to sit there and tell me that they will not get their tails handed to them if the get to a BCS game? At least Ohio State is playing USC. Illinois also plays a good non-con schedule as does Miinnesota. Purdue also does O.K. The rest is weak. Don't forget the 6 FCS schools that the Big 10 plays. SCOREBOARD people. Read it and learn. The Big 10 may be the worst BCS Conference. If not, they are in a tight race with the Big East. Enough of your excuses. I hear them every year, and every year, the Big 10 get's embarrased in the Bowl Games.
How did Oregon State do in Happy Valley last year?
Oregon State beat USC at home. USC beat PSU at home and PSU drilled Oregon State at Home.
Please name the last Pathetic 10 to team win a National Title besides USC? Name the last time Pac 10 had more than 1 team in a BCS game?
You can not even sit here and say the PAC 10 is any better than any other conference. How did Cal fare away from home at MD? You want to start looking at individual games, yes, give USC credit they have beaten everybody in the Big 10 the past 8 or 9 years, but has the rest of the conference done. USC is just like OSU and Penn State, they play 2 games a year and they still can't go undfeated. 1 Unbeaten season for the mighty Trojans under Carroll.
Stop being blinded by the fact that it is the Pac 1 and little 9. When was the last team in the Pac 10 finished in the top 5 that wasn't named USC? Clue: Same year they had 2 teams in a BCS game.
It is the SEC on top, followed by the Big 12 and the then ACC/Big10/Pac10 (3-5, pick your own order), followed by the big Big East.
Frankly, the Big 10 sucks and so does the Pac 10. The Big 10 has the most tradition and name recognition on a national level and they have always had their teams on TV more than other conferences until the past 5 years, where pretty much you are guaranteed to be on TV unless you are WSU. That is the reason the Big 10 is and will remain the spotlight.
Seriously, who has stepped up to even challenge USC. The conference is pathetic. Cal starts out like house on fire and the gets put out by week 7. Mike Riley guarantees at least 1 loss by week 4 and Oregon loses games they shouldn't lose and Mike Stoops in Tucson can barely figure out what .500 is.
So before you go and blow your horn over wins the Holiday Bowl (5th place Big 12 team), Pioneer Bowl, Sun Bowl and Emerald bowl. Realize unlike the Big 10. The Pac 10 doesn't play any teams from the SEC in bowl games and the big 10 has .500 record vs the SEC in bowl games since 2000. Also, with the exception of the Sun Bowl, the Pac 10 has a distinct travel advantage in their bowl games. Holiday Bowl in PST, Las Veags Bowl, Rose Bowl, Cal at home in SF at the Emerald bowl.
Let's review the great Pac 10 wins this past bowl season:
Oregon State 3-0 over Pitt played in El Paso
Cal 24-17 over U in SF
Arizona over Byu, I think 31-24 or something like that. in LV
Oregon over Okie lite 45-35 or something similiar. in SD
USC trashing PSU 38-24, not as close as the score. in LA
If you don't think play in different time zones and close to home makes a difference, than why is it when Pac 10 teams have gone east to play they have gotten destroyed (USC vs Iowa and Oklahoma not withstanding)?
Please learn to review all facts before running off at the mouth.
You know I really try not to talk shit about other conferences because I appreciate the different styles of play and tradition of all the college football conferences but when flamers on here want to try and act like their conference is so superior I have to call them out.
So BigDaddyHQ, if the PAC 10 is so superior why the fuck did they go 1-6 against the MWC in 2008 during the regular season. I mean you want to point out the Big10 went 1-6 in their bowl games so it's such a shitty confernece. That's kind of hypocritical is it not?
So BigDaddyHQ, if the PAC 10 is so superior why the fuck did they go 1-6 against the MWC in 2008 during the regular season. I mean you want to point out the Big10 went 1-6 in their bowl games so it's such a shitty confernece. That's kind of hypocritical is it not?
Look at the rap Oklahoma takes for losing bowl games. How about playing for national championships against LSU in Louisiana and the Gators in Florida. Hardly neutral and even OU fans that made those trips will tell you they were uncomfortable around the opposing fans both times. If the fans don't even feel comfortable how does the team feel? USC has enjoyed an advantage in the Rose Bowl for years. You can say all you want to about Notre Dame but they never have a location advantage for a bowl but they always bring their fair share of fans when they go to one.
Certainly home games for LSu and UF. Florida has several players from Dade and Broward county, not to mention, it is about a 5 hour drive from Gville to Miami. Also, many in their fan base are Orlando and Tampa and easily can make the ride to Miami.
Baton Rouge is 45 minutes from Nola. Also, OU being from a smaller state and less densley populated is not going to have near the number of fans.
Off topic, who are some of the big employers in the state, in Tulsa and OKC? I figure in OKC it is the stat gov.
Chesaeake may be on hold now. Construction is beginning to slow down.
I know a guy who got a job at Tinker AFB but he was on a waiting list for 2 years. The Williams Companies in Tulsa is solid, but state, county, and city jobs are on hold also. We will probably get hit by the down turn later than most but we will eventually feel it. The cost of living (housing especially) is what makes it worth while. You might make less and live better in Oklahoma. I hear they are paying IOU's in California. Ouch.
After reading all the OSU and PSU love at this forum this weekend, I decided to play a couple longshot b10 teams.
.5* Illinois to win Big Ten +875 @ 5dimes.com
Everyone talks about Pryor, but the fact remains although Juice at times throws too many ints, he still is the b10 most experienced QB. Offensively, Illinois can hang with the big boys, but the defense is still iffy. They play OSU after a bye week and if OSU loses to USC, I like Illinois' chances to beat OSU. Penn St plays @ Ill.
.25* Minnesota to win Big Ten 30-1 @ 5dimes.com
I believe the Gophers are very underrated coming into this season. Returning QB along with decent depth at most positions, as Brewster has done a pretty good job recruiting some big time talent to Minn. Apparently, top recruit WR Hayo Carpenter will be enrolled and coupled with Decker, Minny offensively looks to be very strong this season.
.5* Illinois to win Big Ten +875 @ 5dimes.com
Everyone talks about Pryor, but the fact remains although Juice at times throws too many ints, he still is the b10 most experienced QB. Offensively, Illinois can hang with the big boys, but the defense is still iffy. They play OSU after a bye week and if OSU loses to USC, I like Illinois' chances to beat OSU. Penn St plays @ Ill.
.25* Minnesota to win Big Ten 30-1 @ 5dimes.com
I believe the Gophers are very underrated coming into this season. Returning QB along with decent depth at most positions, as Brewster has done a pretty good job recruiting some big time talent to Minn. Apparently, top recruit WR Hayo Carpenter will be enrolled and coupled with Decker, Minny offensively looks to be very strong this season.
I'll definitely play more team win totals after bmaker releases their #, but with available I played all listed below at 5dimes this morning. Using avg odds after rebets.
I've had long term success with season win total plays.
6* MARYLAND UNDER 6 wins -170
Fridge has already named his successor and now unsure when he'll leave Maryland. Terps have a couple decent RB, but rest of team is very young and looks very weak and I have them winning 3 or 4 games this season.
4* BYU UNDER 9 -120
Cougs draw both Oklahoma and Florida St OOC and MWC top to bottom looks more balanced than last season. BYU is very shaky at both OL & DL.
4* ILLINOIS OVER 7.5 -150
Illini draw a great OOC with Missouri & Cinci looking very down this season and they should beat Fresno & Illinois St at home. If they can split the pair vs OSU/PSU, Illinois wins b10 this season.
4* TENN OVER 7 +130
Kiffin draws 8 home games for his first season and Tennessee. A rare losing season for Vols last year. Defense was solid last season and Kiffin brought his dad along to coach the Vols' D. OOC looks like 4-0 with 4 home games against, Western Kentucky, UCLA, Ohio U and Memphis.
4* OREGON UNDER 8 -205
Vig is heavy, but regardless of vig, Oregon is rebuilding this season and don't even look like a .500 team.
Smaller plays may add after bm posts their #.
3* UCONN UNDER 6.5 -215
Huskies lost to NFL: their 2k rusher, double digit sack man, and shutdown DB, who also was large part of special teams. Schedule is much stronger than previous years.
3* MISSOURI UNDER 7.5 -210
Huge graduation losses on both sides of ball, especially WR Maclin who was also leading punt/kick returner. He will be missed along with many other all b12 players. This is a rebuilding year for Pinkel and his Tigers.
3* RUTGERS OVER 8 -215
The logic here is simple. Big East overall is down as a conference, the tough games on schedule are at home, and the OOC games are Howard, FIU, Texas Southern, @ Maryland.
3* SO CAROLINA UNDER 7 -185
This is an average team in the top conference. That = a below .500 season. SC road schedule looks like 0-5 and home schedule still has Ole Miss, Florida, Clemson. Vandy has beaten SC the past 2 years.
3* SOUTHERN CAL UNDER 10.5 -145
08 the offense was raided by nfl draft. This year the defense was raided by nfl draft. While still loaded with talent, with SC going to OSU, CAL, & improved ND, I think they lose at least 2 games this season.
3* WAKE FOREST UNDER 7.5 -180
Wake looks very solid offensively, but the defense lost 2 of the best ever Wake defenders Aaron Curry & Alphonso Smith. Wake has won with solid defense and this year the offense will have to carry the team. If they lose either of the first 2 home games vs Baylor & Stanford (both look improved), imo take this ticket to the cashiers' window.
I've had long term success with season win total plays.
6* MARYLAND UNDER 6 wins -170
Fridge has already named his successor and now unsure when he'll leave Maryland. Terps have a couple decent RB, but rest of team is very young and looks very weak and I have them winning 3 or 4 games this season.
4* BYU UNDER 9 -120
Cougs draw both Oklahoma and Florida St OOC and MWC top to bottom looks more balanced than last season. BYU is very shaky at both OL & DL.
4* ILLINOIS OVER 7.5 -150
Illini draw a great OOC with Missouri & Cinci looking very down this season and they should beat Fresno & Illinois St at home. If they can split the pair vs OSU/PSU, Illinois wins b10 this season.
4* TENN OVER 7 +130
Kiffin draws 8 home games for his first season and Tennessee. A rare losing season for Vols last year. Defense was solid last season and Kiffin brought his dad along to coach the Vols' D. OOC looks like 4-0 with 4 home games against, Western Kentucky, UCLA, Ohio U and Memphis.
4* OREGON UNDER 8 -205
Vig is heavy, but regardless of vig, Oregon is rebuilding this season and don't even look like a .500 team.
Smaller plays may add after bm posts their #.
3* UCONN UNDER 6.5 -215
Huskies lost to NFL: their 2k rusher, double digit sack man, and shutdown DB, who also was large part of special teams. Schedule is much stronger than previous years.
3* MISSOURI UNDER 7.5 -210
Huge graduation losses on both sides of ball, especially WR Maclin who was also leading punt/kick returner. He will be missed along with many other all b12 players. This is a rebuilding year for Pinkel and his Tigers.
3* RUTGERS OVER 8 -215
The logic here is simple. Big East overall is down as a conference, the tough games on schedule are at home, and the OOC games are Howard, FIU, Texas Southern, @ Maryland.
3* SO CAROLINA UNDER 7 -185
This is an average team in the top conference. That = a below .500 season. SC road schedule looks like 0-5 and home schedule still has Ole Miss, Florida, Clemson. Vandy has beaten SC the past 2 years.
3* SOUTHERN CAL UNDER 10.5 -145
08 the offense was raided by nfl draft. This year the defense was raided by nfl draft. While still loaded with talent, with SC going to OSU, CAL, & improved ND, I think they lose at least 2 games this season.
3* WAKE FOREST UNDER 7.5 -180
Wake looks very solid offensively, but the defense lost 2 of the best ever Wake defenders Aaron Curry & Alphonso Smith. Wake has won with solid defense and this year the offense will have to carry the team. If they lose either of the first 2 home games vs Baylor & Stanford (both look improved), imo take this ticket to the cashiers' window.
Woff...I'm still looking at the totals. But I do agree with you about Tennessee. I think that despite the negative feedback the team is getting on this forum and the Kiffin factor, that the Vols will win more than 7 games this year. I don't see much if any dropoff from their defense who was ranked 3rd in the country last year. They suffered 3 net close losses last season. So with a little luck, or better coaching on the offensive end could have won 8 games last year. They have a fairly easy home schedule with their only really tough game being against Georgia. Even if they should lose that game, I believe that they can handle Kentucky on the road to get their 8th win. A win over Georgia and they may have 8 games or at least 7 games under their belt by the 10th week.
GS, agree I see tenn being at least 7-1 at home this year. GA is still solid this year, but have to think the offense takes a couple steps backward. We may need 1 road win to cash the ticket.
The Vols quit on Fulmer most of last season.
Ducks, I'm ok with 7-5. Their first 3 games scare me for they could win all 3 and have me sweating most of the season. Purdue and Utah both look weaker and while I think Boise is overrated and still a young team, they get the W at home against Oregon.
Even assuming Oregon starts 3-0 (which of course I don't), they would need to be 5-4 in league play for them to win 8 and I don't see 5 conference wins for them this season. Imo they will win 2 or 3 pac 10 games this year and winless in conference road games.
The Vols quit on Fulmer most of last season.
Ducks, I'm ok with 7-5. Their first 3 games scare me for they could win all 3 and have me sweating most of the season. Purdue and Utah both look weaker and while I think Boise is overrated and still a young team, they get the W at home against Oregon.
Even assuming Oregon starts 3-0 (which of course I don't), they would need to be 5-4 in league play for them to win 8 and I don't see 5 conference wins for them this season. Imo they will win 2 or 3 pac 10 games this year and winless in conference road games.
